I removed the post that Sean put up earlier which was causing such controversy. I didn’t want the discussion to keep revolving around one person’s tattoos because we don’t know if that person is a racist or just an idiot (if it’s the first then it looks like the answer would be both).
Shannon and I have been discussing the post via email earlier and he reminded me of this old post of a Hitler portrait from a tattooer in Singapore. As it stands now and has been the policy for years, racist and hategroup tattoos go into the Political Section of BME. Similar to the Animal Tattoo & Piercing sections, we don’t support it but BME’s mandate is to archive and catalog the evolution and history of our community, even the ignorant aspects of it. However, that doesn’t expand to other parts of BME like IAM.
IAM’s long standing TOS states the following:
“IAM is a community built around principles of tolerance. You may not post hatespeech (race, gender, or sexuality-based attacks). This includes use of terms like “gay” or “fag” or “kike” in a derogatory manner, even in jest. This rule is very strict, and extends to racist codes and iconography (“14″, “88″, and so on), as well as NSBM and racist band lists and so on. This includes verifiable offsite posts. To be very clear about this: if you are a bigot, onsite or off, stay off IAM. This is not a ban on racism. This is a total ban on bigots.”
This begs the question as far as political commentary on racist tattoos. I personally don’t want to see them get any more attention than they deserve, which is why they’re generally quietly filed away, along with other ill advised modifications. We can’t sit back and pretend that they don’t exist but we also don’t need to give them any room in the spot light that is Modblog.
As both Sean and I have said in the comments section, neither of us recognized the tattoo as a Totenkopf. At first glance I thought it was three skulls because you couldn’t see the entire tattoo. I was sent some messages stating that the racist aspect of the tattoo should be ignored because it wasn’t the focus of the post. The focus of the post was the small boobs and not tattoos. I don’t agree with that line of thinking. One of the other reasons we can’t flat out reject racist tattoos is that we simply don’t have the manpower to be fully adept at all the secret racist codes out there. As none of the staff on BME are racists, we don’t know the secret handshakes. So we try to file the tattoos where they belong. Maybe it would be more helpful if racists grew balls and weren’t so embarrased by their beliefs that they have to disguise them.
The reasoning for this post was to give you guys a post to comment on that wasn’t attacking a specific individual. So let your thoughts fly.
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303 responses to “The politics of Body Modification?”
It’s kind of hard to have a discussion about this when you got rid of the post. It leaves no context for anyone else to discuss or look back to for reference.. No one that wasn’t already a part of the conversation can join.
This post wasn’t about white power tattoos, it was about small titties. There happened to be a white power tattoo in it. Then they erased the picture. Then brought it back, with the tattoo edited out. Then erased the post entirely.
According to wiki, “Censorship is the suppression of speech or deletion of communicative material which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or inconvenient to the government or media organizations as determined by a censor.”
I would feel comfortable to call this a media outlet. FoxNews is a media outlet. When you suppress information or “communicative material” it is censorship. Though I understand it is Fox’s right and ability do so, as well as it is yours, that does not mean I agree. Rupert Murdoch can broadcast anything he wants and suppress anything he wants. Does that mean it’s right? Obviously, that’s an extreme example but still the same concept.
I don’t believe in any form of censorship, and that’s what my position is and my problem with this in general.. Just because it’s something you don’t like, shouldn’t mean it’s removed. I’m all for bashing it, but deletion is removing information. When you remove information you stifle diversity. This site is based on diversity. Censorship should never be on this site.
That’s my logic.. and my gripe.
Might as well pretend swastikas don’t exist on the foundation that the nazis used them. If the swastika was facing to the right does that make it a NAZI swastika, line for line and suddenly become a hate symbol? Well, I’m sure the uninformed in every day life would call the wearer a nazi and scum. Hmph, silly buddhist nazis, who were apparently nazis before nazis. The nazis may have ruined the stigma with the totenkopf, although anything used in war is pretty bad, but the totenkopf was always a totenkopf and they took it. Yeah, the made it more realistic, compared to the more archaic prussian version, but the totenkopf is a totenkopf as a swastika is a swastika. Just my two cents. Feel free to call me a nazi. I mean… I am white. I’m sure I even have German in my heritage. I must be a nazi? No.
Might as well pretend swastikas don’t exist on the foundation that the nazis used them. If the swastika was facing to the right does that make it a NAZI swastika, line for line and suddenly become a hate symbol? Well, I’m sure the uninformed in every day life would call the wearer a nazi and scum. Hmph, silly buddhist nazis, who were apparently nazis before nazis. The nazis may have ruined the stigma with the totenkopf, although anything used in war is pretty bad, but the totenkopf was always a totenkopf and they took it. Yeah, the made it more realistic, compared to the more archaic prussian version, but the totenkopf is a totenkopf as a swastika is a swastika. Just my two cents. Feel free to call me a nazi. I mean… I am white. I’m sure I even have German in my heritage. I must be a nazi? No.
Might as well pretend swastikas don’t exist on the foundation that the nazis used them. If the swastika was facing to the right does that make it a NAZI swastika, line for line and suddenly become a hate symbol? Well, I’m sure the uninformed in every day life would call the wearer a nazi and scum. Hmph, silly buddhist nazis, who were apparently nazis before nazis. The nazis may have ruined the stigma with the totenkopf, although anything used in war is pretty bad, but the totenkopf was always a totenkopf and they took it. Yeah, the made it more realistic, compared to the more archaic prussian version, but the totenkopf is a totenkopf as a swastika is a swastika. Just my two cents. Feel free to call me a nazi. I mean… I am white. I’m sure I even have German in my heritage. I must be a nazi? No.
what about mikes tattoo on his ass of the unicorn with the swastika and the SS bolts? HUHHHHHHHHHHHH?
what about mikes tattoo on his ass of the unicorn with the swastika and the SS bolts? HUHHHHHHHHHHHH?
what about mikes tattoo on his ass of the unicorn with the swastika and the SS bolts? HUHHHHHHHHHHHH?
And in the end, pretending something doesn’t exist and sticking fingers in your ears doesn’t make it go away. It’s funny because that’s the inability to accept. I love how the initial reaction of what should be an accepting community is to jump down someone’s throat and keep closed minds. Tsk. Tsk.
And in the end, pretending something doesn’t exist and sticking fingers in your ears doesn’t make it go away. It’s funny because that’s the inability to accept. I love how the initial reaction of what should be an accepting community is to jump down someone’s throat and keep closed minds. Tsk. Tsk.
And in the end, pretending something doesn’t exist and sticking fingers in your ears doesn’t make it go away. It’s funny because that’s the inability to accept. I love how the initial reaction of what should be an accepting community is to jump down someone’s throat and keep closed minds. Tsk. Tsk.
And like I said in the other post.. Did anyone ask HER what it meant to her?
And like I said in the other post.. Did anyone ask HER what it meant to her?
And like I said in the other post.. Did anyone ask HER what it meant to her?
I think that offensive/racist things should be available, but as I said, I like that it’s in the political section. Not posting it on the main page makes sense, given that it’s most likely just going to cause a shit storm of comments not related to the tattoo itself, but what it stands for. I think that having a section for it is a great way to keep people who would be offended from viewing it, but still having it available for others to see, much like how porn is kept separate from other things (and not just because you need to be 18 for it, but many adults are genuinely offended by it, and shouldn’t have to see it if they don’t want to). Although I try to be as diverse as possible, there are going to be things that I find offensive. I’ve got to admit that part of my family is Jewish, so I’m not really interested in seeing lots of white supremacist images. I know it exists, but it shouldn’t be thrown in my face.
I think that offensive/racist things should be available, but as I said, I like that it’s in the political section. Not posting it on the main page makes sense, given that it’s most likely just going to cause a shit storm of comments not related to the tattoo itself, but what it stands for. I think that having a section for it is a great way to keep people who would be offended from viewing it, but still having it available for others to see, much like how porn is kept separate from other things (and not just because you need to be 18 for it, but many adults are genuinely offended by it, and shouldn’t have to see it if they don’t want to). Although I try to be as diverse as possible, there are going to be things that I find offensive. I’ve got to admit that part of my family is Jewish, so I’m not really interested in seeing lots of white supremacist images. I know it exists, but it shouldn’t be thrown in my face.
I think that offensive/racist things should be available, but as I said, I like that it’s in the political section. Not posting it on the main page makes sense, given that it’s most likely just going to cause a shit storm of comments not related to the tattoo itself, but what it stands for. I think that having a section for it is a great way to keep people who would be offended from viewing it, but still having it available for others to see, much like how porn is kept separate from other things (and not just because you need to be 18 for it, but many adults are genuinely offended by it, and shouldn’t have to see it if they don’t want to). Although I try to be as diverse as possible, there are going to be things that I find offensive. I’ve got to admit that part of my family is Jewish, so I’m not really interested in seeing lots of white supremacist images. I know it exists, but it shouldn’t be thrown in my face.
Absolutely last thing as I’ve completely lost interest.
In regards to gang tattoos now. We should ban those as well… and not allow them into restaurants???
The Sureños identify themselves with the color blue and sometimes gray, mostly with Los Angeles Dodgers (the baseball team of their home town), Duke University and Dallas Cowboys apparel. Their gang number is thirteen! An additional significance of the LA Dodgers lies in the numbers corresponding to letters of the alphabet: L (12) + A (1) = 13.
So LA is a gang tattoo and anyone wearing an LA tattoo is obviously in a gang.
COUGH.
Absolutely last thing as I’ve completely lost interest.
In regards to gang tattoos now. We should ban those as well… and not allow them into restaurants???
The Sureños identify themselves with the color blue and sometimes gray, mostly with Los Angeles Dodgers (the baseball team of their home town), Duke University and Dallas Cowboys apparel. Their gang number is thirteen! An additional significance of the LA Dodgers lies in the numbers corresponding to letters of the alphabet: L (12) + A (1) = 13.
So LA is a gang tattoo and anyone wearing an LA tattoo is obviously in a gang.
COUGH.
Absolutely last thing as I’ve completely lost interest.
In regards to gang tattoos now. We should ban those as well… and not allow them into restaurants???
The Sureños identify themselves with the color blue and sometimes gray, mostly with Los Angeles Dodgers (the baseball team of their home town), Duke University and Dallas Cowboys apparel. Their gang number is thirteen! An additional significance of the LA Dodgers lies in the numbers corresponding to letters of the alphabet: L (12) + A (1) = 13.
So LA is a gang tattoo and anyone wearing an LA tattoo is obviously in a gang.
COUGH.
Automutilation & Ru
I think that you both have valid points, and this isn’t said often enough in conversation/blogs, but you’ve both posed questions that I haven’t considered before. I think that the main problem is the intention behind the tattoo – maybe someone has a racist tattoo that they hadn’t realized was racist, or it was supposed to be sarcastic, etc. Assuming that only racist tattoos with racist intentions behind them are not allowed, what’s to stop any racists from claiming that their tattoo had a different meaning behind it, in order to get it posted? I’m not sure that what the tattoo means to the person should be the deciding factor, simply because we can never know what someone is thinking, and whether or not their lying about it (especially given that, as Shannon said, racists will get a tattoo, but then lie about the meaning).
Automutilation & Ru
I think that you both have valid points, and this isn’t said often enough in conversation/blogs, but you’ve both posed questions that I haven’t considered before. I think that the main problem is the intention behind the tattoo – maybe someone has a racist tattoo that they hadn’t realized was racist, or it was supposed to be sarcastic, etc. Assuming that only racist tattoos with racist intentions behind them are not allowed, what’s to stop any racists from claiming that their tattoo had a different meaning behind it, in order to get it posted? I’m not sure that what the tattoo means to the person should be the deciding factor, simply because we can never know what someone is thinking, and whether or not their lying about it (especially given that, as Shannon said, racists will get a tattoo, but then lie about the meaning).
Automutilation & Ru
I think that you both have valid points, and this isn’t said often enough in conversation/blogs, but you’ve both posed questions that I haven’t considered before. I think that the main problem is the intention behind the tattoo – maybe someone has a racist tattoo that they hadn’t realized was racist, or it was supposed to be sarcastic, etc. Assuming that only racist tattoos with racist intentions behind them are not allowed, what’s to stop any racists from claiming that their tattoo had a different meaning behind it, in order to get it posted? I’m not sure that what the tattoo means to the person should be the deciding factor, simply because we can never know what someone is thinking, and whether or not their lying about it (especially given that, as Shannon said, racists will get a tattoo, but then lie about the meaning).
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Again, with that logic, anything can be construed to fit that format. Which is exactly why people don’t like Nazi’s in the first place. Propaganda, book burning, censorship were all tenants of the Nazi regime and what made it possible for them to kill millions of Jewish people.. If there was free information, the world population would have never let it get that far..
Now, I’m not saying this removal of this posting will lead to such atrocities.. But that censorship and removal is exactly what Nazi’s did.. So how can you agree to censor Nazis? Like I said in the old post,
“We hate this white supremacist book! Yeah!?! Lets BURN it!”
When you reject one, it leads to another. And though you don’t want it in your face, it is a fact of life. Some people out there want to ban all tattoos or piercings or scars or other forms of modification. Google thinks suspension is pornography.. Google is a business too.. Are you saying that you and Google have the same idea?
How can you disagree with such censorship, then all of a sudden say “Oh well, if it’s something I don’t want to see, that’s ok!”
Again, with that logic, anything can be construed to fit that format. Which is exactly why people don’t like Nazi’s in the first place. Propaganda, book burning, censorship were all tenants of the Nazi regime and what made it possible for them to kill millions of Jewish people.. If there was free information, the world population would have never let it get that far..
Now, I’m not saying this removal of this posting will lead to such atrocities.. But that censorship and removal is exactly what Nazi’s did.. So how can you agree to censor Nazis? Like I said in the old post,
“We hate this white supremacist book! Yeah!?! Lets BURN it!”
When you reject one, it leads to another. And though you don’t want it in your face, it is a fact of life. Some people out there want to ban all tattoos or piercings or scars or other forms of modification. Google thinks suspension is pornography.. Google is a business too.. Are you saying that you and Google have the same idea?
How can you disagree with such censorship, then all of a sudden say “Oh well, if it’s something I don’t want to see, that’s ok!”
Again, with that logic, anything can be construed to fit that format. Which is exactly why people don’t like Nazi’s in the first place. Propaganda, book burning, censorship were all tenants of the Nazi regime and what made it possible for them to kill millions of Jewish people.. If there was free information, the world population would have never let it get that far..
Now, I’m not saying this removal of this posting will lead to such atrocities.. But that censorship and removal is exactly what Nazi’s did.. So how can you agree to censor Nazis? Like I said in the old post,
“We hate this white supremacist book! Yeah!?! Lets BURN it!”
When you reject one, it leads to another. And though you don’t want it in your face, it is a fact of life. Some people out there want to ban all tattoos or piercings or scars or other forms of modification. Google thinks suspension is pornography.. Google is a business too.. Are you saying that you and Google have the same idea?
How can you disagree with such censorship, then all of a sudden say “Oh well, if it’s something I don’t want to see, that’s ok!”
Automutilation: You have to be joking??? The reason that people don’t like nazi’s isn’t because of their propaganda, their book burning and their censorship. It was their attempt to exterminate not only the Jews but every other race, sexuality, birth defect that didn’t fit their idea of the perfect race.
This is not censorship. Your categorization of it is immature and shows that you don’t understand the pure nature of the subject at hand. Had I left the post up, it would have continued to fuel the fire and the possibly unnecessary persecution of a young IAM member who will hopefully outgrow her racist ideals. If she doesn’t understand the nature of the tattoo that she has place front and center on her chest, I hope that with time she will understand the consequences of her beliefs and actions and will have the tattoo removed or covered up.
As I have said countless times, if either Sean or I had noticed that it was a racist tattoo, it would not have been posted and there wouldn’t even have been this conversation. IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT THE SUBJECT OF THE POST WAS SMALL BREAST AND “ITTY BITTY” TATTOOS. They distracted from the fact that there was a partially covered up Totenkapf tattoo.
Had the tattoo not been partially covered up, I would have recognized it instead of at first glance thinking it was a skull and two 3/4 views of a skull. As I’ve spent the last week putting together collectors editions of flash, I would have noticed it and not mistaken it for skulls.
The next person who mentions the word censorship loses this argument. As they say, the quickest way to lose an argument on the internet is to bring up Nazis.
The claim that not posting hate tattoos on Mobdlog is as naive as bashing us for attempting to only post good tattoos, good scarification pieces and good piercings. That is what we try to do here on Modblog. The BME galleries are where EVERYTHING ELSE GOES.
I hope that you understand that your censorship argument is invalid because I am not censoring these people. I am deciding what I promote and display on Modblog which is my right as a writer and owner of this site. I will fight to the death for your right to get whatever modifications you so choose on your body even if they are in poor taste and poorly done as long as you do so in a safe and educated manner.
That is the best thing that I can do for this community. If you want to get your daily dose of racist tattoos then go visit the political tattoo section where you can find all the hate/racist tattoos that you want. If we were censoring them as a media outlet, then we wouldn’t accept the submissions at all and pretend they don’t exist.
This is yet another example of why the community needs a legal defense fund so that we can fight for your right to get a stupid nazi tattoo. Oh yeah, and it’s my right to call that tattoo stupid.
Automutilation: You have to be joking??? The reason that people don’t like nazi’s isn’t because of their propaganda, their book burning and their censorship. It was their attempt to exterminate not only the Jews but every other race, sexuality, birth defect that didn’t fit their idea of the perfect race.
This is not censorship. Your categorization of it is immature and shows that you don’t understand the pure nature of the subject at hand. Had I left the post up, it would have continued to fuel the fire and the possibly unnecessary persecution of a young IAM member who will hopefully outgrow her racist ideals. If she doesn’t understand the nature of the tattoo that she has place front and center on her chest, I hope that with time she will understand the consequences of her beliefs and actions and will have the tattoo removed or covered up.
As I have said countless times, if either Sean or I had noticed that it was a racist tattoo, it would not have been posted and there wouldn’t even have been this conversation. IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT THE SUBJECT OF THE POST WAS SMALL BREAST AND “ITTY BITTY” TATTOOS. They distracted from the fact that there was a partially covered up Totenkapf tattoo.
Had the tattoo not been partially covered up, I would have recognized it instead of at first glance thinking it was a skull and two 3/4 views of a skull. As I’ve spent the last week putting together collectors editions of flash, I would have noticed it and not mistaken it for skulls.
The next person who mentions the word censorship loses this argument. As they say, the quickest way to lose an argument on the internet is to bring up Nazis.
The claim that not posting hate tattoos on Mobdlog is as naive as bashing us for attempting to only post good tattoos, good scarification pieces and good piercings. That is what we try to do here on Modblog. The BME galleries are where EVERYTHING ELSE GOES.
I hope that you understand that your censorship argument is invalid because I am not censoring these people. I am deciding what I promote and display on Modblog which is my right as a writer and owner of this site. I will fight to the death for your right to get whatever modifications you so choose on your body even if they are in poor taste and poorly done as long as you do so in a safe and educated manner.
That is the best thing that I can do for this community. If you want to get your daily dose of racist tattoos then go visit the political tattoo section where you can find all the hate/racist tattoos that you want. If we were censoring them as a media outlet, then we wouldn’t accept the submissions at all and pretend they don’t exist.
This is yet another example of why the community needs a legal defense fund so that we can fight for your right to get a stupid nazi tattoo. Oh yeah, and it’s my right to call that tattoo stupid.
Automutilation: You have to be joking??? The reason that people don’t like nazi’s isn’t because of their propaganda, their book burning and their censorship. It was their attempt to exterminate not only the Jews but every other race, sexuality, birth defect that didn’t fit their idea of the perfect race.
This is not censorship. Your categorization of it is immature and shows that you don’t understand the pure nature of the subject at hand. Had I left the post up, it would have continued to fuel the fire and the possibly unnecessary persecution of a young IAM member who will hopefully outgrow her racist ideals. If she doesn’t understand the nature of the tattoo that she has place front and center on her chest, I hope that with time she will understand the consequences of her beliefs and actions and will have the tattoo removed or covered up.
As I have said countless times, if either Sean or I had noticed that it was a racist tattoo, it would not have been posted and there wouldn’t even have been this conversation. IT DOES NOT MATTER THAT THE SUBJECT OF THE POST WAS SMALL BREAST AND “ITTY BITTY” TATTOOS. They distracted from the fact that there was a partially covered up Totenkapf tattoo.
Had the tattoo not been partially covered up, I would have recognized it instead of at first glance thinking it was a skull and two 3/4 views of a skull. As I’ve spent the last week putting together collectors editions of flash, I would have noticed it and not mistaken it for skulls.
The next person who mentions the word censorship loses this argument. As they say, the quickest way to lose an argument on the internet is to bring up Nazis.
The claim that not posting hate tattoos on Mobdlog is as naive as bashing us for attempting to only post good tattoos, good scarification pieces and good piercings. That is what we try to do here on Modblog. The BME galleries are where EVERYTHING ELSE GOES.
I hope that you understand that your censorship argument is invalid because I am not censoring these people. I am deciding what I promote and display on Modblog which is my right as a writer and owner of this site. I will fight to the death for your right to get whatever modifications you so choose on your body even if they are in poor taste and poorly done as long as you do so in a safe and educated manner.
That is the best thing that I can do for this community. If you want to get your daily dose of racist tattoos then go visit the political tattoo section where you can find all the hate/racist tattoos that you want. If we were censoring them as a media outlet, then we wouldn’t accept the submissions at all and pretend they don’t exist.
This is yet another example of why the community needs a legal defense fund so that we can fight for your right to get a stupid nazi tattoo. Oh yeah, and it’s my right to call that tattoo stupid.
Auto: One other question for you. At my tattoo shop we don’t do hate/racist tattoos. Do you consider this “censorship” as well because I do not allow these tattoos to be done in my shop?
Auto: One other question for you. At my tattoo shop we don’t do hate/racist tattoos. Do you consider this “censorship” as well because I do not allow these tattoos to be done in my shop?
Auto: One other question for you. At my tattoo shop we don’t do hate/racist tattoos. Do you consider this “censorship” as well because I do not allow these tattoos to be done in my shop?
Jojo: Shannon and I communicate on a daily basis. This is not new for us. We have a tepid relationship and are fine with each other as long as other people don’t get involved in bating us. 🙂
Jojo: Shannon and I communicate on a daily basis. This is not new for us. We have a tepid relationship and are fine with each other as long as other people don’t get involved in bating us. 🙂
Jojo: Shannon and I communicate on a daily basis. This is not new for us. We have a tepid relationship and are fine with each other as long as other people don’t get involved in bating us. 🙂
Hahaha The longer and argument goes, the probability of someone relating you to Nazi’s becomes 1:1. That being said, it started out being about Nazi’s..
I wasn’t at ALL trying to say that propaganda was the reason people hate Nazi’s! I was trying to say that propaganda and censorship was a major contributor to the atrocities committed..
I hadn’t put together that the reason you dropped the post was to protect the subject at hand. That’s more about being a good person than censorship in my eyes and I’m sorry for accusations otherwise. Privacy of an individual is something I can understand not wanting to make public domain.
I’m unsure of how Modblog works, was she informed of this post? If so, and it is an intentional racist tattoo, she deserves the backlash probably.. And I don’t think the post at hand was supporting racism in anyway or could be construed as such because it was a supplemental image.. I most certainly never seen or heard of that symbol. Just because it was up, doesn’t really mean you support it, just like how a “meatlover” tattoo on here might offend vegans who associate it with murder and prejudice.. People might get mad, but I wouldn’t remove it.. But like you said, this is your show boss..
And if you think my idea’s on this are childish, so be it. I don’t think censorship is based on censorship of an individual, but on information. There’s literally nothing I can do, other then argue to a point in which we don’t agree and you find completely invalid. So I’ll just stop..
But to answer your question, no I wouldn’t think that fits my idea of censorship because you are unwilling to directly contribute. But if one of my artists did one without knowing it was a racist tattoo, I wouldn’t try to get it removed or deny it happened. But I can definitely understand not wanting to put it in your portfolio..
Hahaha The longer and argument goes, the probability of someone relating you to Nazi’s becomes 1:1. That being said, it started out being about Nazi’s..
I wasn’t at ALL trying to say that propaganda was the reason people hate Nazi’s! I was trying to say that propaganda and censorship was a major contributor to the atrocities committed..
I hadn’t put together that the reason you dropped the post was to protect the subject at hand. That’s more about being a good person than censorship in my eyes and I’m sorry for accusations otherwise. Privacy of an individual is something I can understand not wanting to make public domain.
I’m unsure of how Modblog works, was she informed of this post? If so, and it is an intentional racist tattoo, she deserves the backlash probably.. And I don’t think the post at hand was supporting racism in anyway or could be construed as such because it was a supplemental image.. I most certainly never seen or heard of that symbol. Just because it was up, doesn’t really mean you support it, just like how a “meatlover” tattoo on here might offend vegans who associate it with murder and prejudice.. People might get mad, but I wouldn’t remove it.. But like you said, this is your show boss..
And if you think my idea’s on this are childish, so be it. I don’t think censorship is based on censorship of an individual, but on information. There’s literally nothing I can do, other then argue to a point in which we don’t agree and you find completely invalid. So I’ll just stop..
But to answer your question, no I wouldn’t think that fits my idea of censorship because you are unwilling to directly contribute. But if one of my artists did one without knowing it was a racist tattoo, I wouldn’t try to get it removed or deny it happened. But I can definitely understand not wanting to put it in your portfolio..
Hahaha The longer and argument goes, the probability of someone relating you to Nazi’s becomes 1:1. That being said, it started out being about Nazi’s..
I wasn’t at ALL trying to say that propaganda was the reason people hate Nazi’s! I was trying to say that propaganda and censorship was a major contributor to the atrocities committed..
I hadn’t put together that the reason you dropped the post was to protect the subject at hand. That’s more about being a good person than censorship in my eyes and I’m sorry for accusations otherwise. Privacy of an individual is something I can understand not wanting to make public domain.
I’m unsure of how Modblog works, was she informed of this post? If so, and it is an intentional racist tattoo, she deserves the backlash probably.. And I don’t think the post at hand was supporting racism in anyway or could be construed as such because it was a supplemental image.. I most certainly never seen or heard of that symbol. Just because it was up, doesn’t really mean you support it, just like how a “meatlover” tattoo on here might offend vegans who associate it with murder and prejudice.. People might get mad, but I wouldn’t remove it.. But like you said, this is your show boss..
And if you think my idea’s on this are childish, so be it. I don’t think censorship is based on censorship of an individual, but on information. There’s literally nothing I can do, other then argue to a point in which we don’t agree and you find completely invalid. So I’ll just stop..
But to answer your question, no I wouldn’t think that fits my idea of censorship because you are unwilling to directly contribute. But if one of my artists did one without knowing it was a racist tattoo, I wouldn’t try to get it removed or deny it happened. But I can definitely understand not wanting to put it in your portfolio..
She was not made aware of the post and as I said, she is young. Since it’s not really clear if she fully understands the meaning of the tattoo or if she’s really confused or has been mislead. I’m talking to her now but I see a lot of people who get hate tattoos and then later regret them when they grow up. If she has this tattoo, even knowing full well what it means, I would not put a person up on Modblog to be attacked. I have had people (like the shit eating aids chaser that Shannon wrote about) who was going to commit suicide because of the attention that he got from being published on Modblog. I don’t want that blood on my hands. I know what it is like to be tortured and tormented on this site. I am subjected to it daily.
I would be pretty upset or embarrassed if I posted something on Modblog that I didn’t realize was a nazi/hate tattoo and then someone became inspired by it and got it tattooed on themselves not realizing it was something more than just a skull and cross bones.
As I’ve said before, everything goes on to BME and it’s my decision as to what goes on to Modblog. It’s not the same as Fox News distributing news broadcasts that are full of lies and deceit. I don’t post Animal Tattooing & Piercing on Modblog because it’s also something I don’t agree with but it goes into the galleries on BME. We don’t sit there and pretend that it doesn’t exist. It just doesn’t get put into the spotlight on Modblog. Everything is there for the purpose of documenting our community. It doesn’t mean I have to allow it on IAM, or on Modblog. That isn’t the mandate of these other parts of BME. While they are all part of BME they have different missions and reasons behind them that drive them on each and every day.
Each function of BME serves a different purpose regardless of if it’s IAM, Modblog, 411.BME, Ask.BME, Shop.BME, etc etc etc. I hope you understand more where I am coming from.
She was not made aware of the post and as I said, she is young. Since it’s not really clear if she fully understands the meaning of the tattoo or if she’s really confused or has been mislead. I’m talking to her now but I see a lot of people who get hate tattoos and then later regret them when they grow up. If she has this tattoo, even knowing full well what it means, I would not put a person up on Modblog to be attacked. I have had people (like the shit eating aids chaser that Shannon wrote about) who was going to commit suicide because of the attention that he got from being published on Modblog. I don’t want that blood on my hands. I know what it is like to be tortured and tormented on this site. I am subjected to it daily.
I would be pretty upset or embarrassed if I posted something on Modblog that I didn’t realize was a nazi/hate tattoo and then someone became inspired by it and got it tattooed on themselves not realizing it was something more than just a skull and cross bones.
As I’ve said before, everything goes on to BME and it’s my decision as to what goes on to Modblog. It’s not the same as Fox News distributing news broadcasts that are full of lies and deceit. I don’t post Animal Tattooing & Piercing on Modblog because it’s also something I don’t agree with but it goes into the galleries on BME. We don’t sit there and pretend that it doesn’t exist. It just doesn’t get put into the spotlight on Modblog. Everything is there for the purpose of documenting our community. It doesn’t mean I have to allow it on IAM, or on Modblog. That isn’t the mandate of these other parts of BME. While they are all part of BME they have different missions and reasons behind them that drive them on each and every day.
Each function of BME serves a different purpose regardless of if it’s IAM, Modblog, 411.BME, Ask.BME, Shop.BME, etc etc etc. I hope you understand more where I am coming from.
She was not made aware of the post and as I said, she is young. Since it’s not really clear if she fully understands the meaning of the tattoo or if she’s really confused or has been mislead. I’m talking to her now but I see a lot of people who get hate tattoos and then later regret them when they grow up. If she has this tattoo, even knowing full well what it means, I would not put a person up on Modblog to be attacked. I have had people (like the shit eating aids chaser that Shannon wrote about) who was going to commit suicide because of the attention that he got from being published on Modblog. I don’t want that blood on my hands. I know what it is like to be tortured and tormented on this site. I am subjected to it daily.
I would be pretty upset or embarrassed if I posted something on Modblog that I didn’t realize was a nazi/hate tattoo and then someone became inspired by it and got it tattooed on themselves not realizing it was something more than just a skull and cross bones.
As I’ve said before, everything goes on to BME and it’s my decision as to what goes on to Modblog. It’s not the same as Fox News distributing news broadcasts that are full of lies and deceit. I don’t post Animal Tattooing & Piercing on Modblog because it’s also something I don’t agree with but it goes into the galleries on BME. We don’t sit there and pretend that it doesn’t exist. It just doesn’t get put into the spotlight on Modblog. Everything is there for the purpose of documenting our community. It doesn’t mean I have to allow it on IAM, or on Modblog. That isn’t the mandate of these other parts of BME. While they are all part of BME they have different missions and reasons behind them that drive them on each and every day.
Each function of BME serves a different purpose regardless of if it’s IAM, Modblog, 411.BME, Ask.BME, Shop.BME, etc etc etc. I hope you understand more where I am coming from.
Yeah the Nazis were really bad…. But on that same train of thought how many millions of people have been murdered in cold blood in the name of Christianity? SO i suggest that you should ban all Cristian imagery from modblog… Really people where does this end? Its all merely at the discretion of the person running the blog..
Happy holidays 🙂
Yeah the Nazis were really bad…. But on that same train of thought how many millions of people have been murdered in cold blood in the name of Christianity? SO i suggest that you should ban all Cristian imagery from modblog… Really people where does this end? Its all merely at the discretion of the person running the blog..
Happy holidays 🙂
Yeah the Nazis were really bad…. But on that same train of thought how many millions of people have been murdered in cold blood in the name of Christianity? SO i suggest that you should ban all Cristian imagery from modblog… Really people where does this end? Its all merely at the discretion of the person running the blog..
Happy holidays 🙂
Everyone is right, and everyone is wrong.
It makes no difference. This is Rachel’s site and I’m just happy to get whatever I can from it. Whether it be simple ear piercings or a racist tattoo, I am an appreciative spectator.
Sooooo….. I think all the hooplah is unnecessary.
Everyone is right, and everyone is wrong.
It makes no difference. This is Rachel’s site and I’m just happy to get whatever I can from it. Whether it be simple ear piercings or a racist tattoo, I am an appreciative spectator.
Sooooo….. I think all the hooplah is unnecessary.
Everyone is right, and everyone is wrong.
It makes no difference. This is Rachel’s site and I’m just happy to get whatever I can from it. Whether it be simple ear piercings or a racist tattoo, I am an appreciative spectator.
Sooooo….. I think all the hooplah is unnecessary.
i missed the picture. was it art?