I removed the post that Sean put up earlier which was causing such controversy. I didn’t want the discussion to keep revolving around one person’s tattoos because we don’t know if that person is a racist or just an idiot (if it’s the first then it looks like the answer would be both).
Shannon and I have been discussing the post via email earlier and he reminded me of this old post of a Hitler portrait from a tattooer in Singapore. As it stands now and has been the policy for years, racist and hategroup tattoos go into the Political Section of BME. Similar to the Animal Tattoo & Piercing sections, we don’t support it but BME’s mandate is to archive and catalog the evolution and history of our community, even the ignorant aspects of it. However, that doesn’t expand to other parts of BME like IAM.
IAM’s long standing TOS states the following:
“IAM is a community built around principles of tolerance. You may not post hatespeech (race, gender, or sexuality-based attacks). This includes use of terms like “gay” or “fag” or “kike” in a derogatory manner, even in jest. This rule is very strict, and extends to racist codes and iconography (“14″, “88″, and so on), as well as NSBM and racist band lists and so on. This includes verifiable offsite posts. To be very clear about this: if you are a bigot, onsite or off, stay off IAM. This is not a ban on racism. This is a total ban on bigots.”
This begs the question as far as political commentary on racist tattoos. I personally don’t want to see them get any more attention than they deserve, which is why they’re generally quietly filed away, along with other ill advised modifications. We can’t sit back and pretend that they don’t exist but we also don’t need to give them any room in the spot light that is Modblog.
As both Sean and I have said in the comments section, neither of us recognized the tattoo as a Totenkopf. At first glance I thought it was three skulls because you couldn’t see the entire tattoo. I was sent some messages stating that the racist aspect of the tattoo should be ignored because it wasn’t the focus of the post. The focus of the post was the small boobs and not tattoos. I don’t agree with that line of thinking. One of the other reasons we can’t flat out reject racist tattoos is that we simply don’t have the manpower to be fully adept at all the secret racist codes out there. As none of the staff on BME are racists, we don’t know the secret handshakes. So we try to file the tattoos where they belong. Maybe it would be more helpful if racists grew balls and weren’t so embarrased by their beliefs that they have to disguise them.
The reasoning for this post was to give you guys a post to comment on that wasn’t attacking a specific individual. So let your thoughts fly.
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303 responses to “The politics of Body Modification?”
This was the last comment I posted:
LaurenElizabeth posted here saying that it was a prussian war skull.
Automutilation: You seriously cannot credit Shannon with the swastika and “it’s resurgence as a peaceful symbol”. Try Buddhism. He and I discussed this post earlier today and we both agreed that it was a racist tattoo.
This is NOT CENSORSHIP. I am not going to promote hate on the site. The easiest thing I could do to quell this conversation would be to remove the post entirely. I’m not because I’m leaving the post up for discussion.
I’m tired of these “censorship” accusations. I let all the comments on modblog go through except for spam and people threatening to kill me. It isn’t censorship to remove a post that I don’t support. This is my blog and I get to decide what to promote. Hate Tattoos aren’t something I support.
Mike has been messaging me about the tattoos and claiming that I censor BME now and blah blah blah. I’ve asked him if he wants to recant the meaning of his SS unicorn tattoo because he claims that tattoo of the rainbow unicorn is the same as this totenkampf tattoo. If that’s the case then he’ll be removed from IAM for violating the tattoos. I thought it was clear that the SS Rainbow Unicorn was making a mockery of the hate behind white power. I guess I was wrong.
I am not “caving in” to people who are upset by the photo. Had I known it was a such a symbol of hatred and the torture and murder of millions of Jews, I would have never posted it in the first place. It should not have been posted. I am not offended by the tattoo.
If you guys want it back up, then fine, I’ll put it back up. I’ll be caving in to the people who are claiming “censorship” if anything, which is more upsetting to me than anything because I would actually be caving where as before I wasn’t doing anything but removing a post that I would not have published in the first place had I known the meaning of the tattoo.
This was the last comment I posted:
LaurenElizabeth posted here saying that it was a prussian war skull.
Automutilation: You seriously cannot credit Shannon with the swastika and “it’s resurgence as a peaceful symbol”. Try Buddhism. He and I discussed this post earlier today and we both agreed that it was a racist tattoo.
This is NOT CENSORSHIP. I am not going to promote hate on the site. The easiest thing I could do to quell this conversation would be to remove the post entirely. I’m not because I’m leaving the post up for discussion.
I’m tired of these “censorship” accusations. I let all the comments on modblog go through except for spam and people threatening to kill me. It isn’t censorship to remove a post that I don’t support. This is my blog and I get to decide what to promote. Hate Tattoos aren’t something I support.
Mike has been messaging me about the tattoos and claiming that I censor BME now and blah blah blah. I’ve asked him if he wants to recant the meaning of his SS unicorn tattoo because he claims that tattoo of the rainbow unicorn is the same as this totenkampf tattoo. If that’s the case then he’ll be removed from IAM for violating the tattoos. I thought it was clear that the SS Rainbow Unicorn was making a mockery of the hate behind white power. I guess I was wrong.
I am not “caving in” to people who are upset by the photo. Had I known it was a such a symbol of hatred and the torture and murder of millions of Jews, I would have never posted it in the first place. It should not have been posted. I am not offended by the tattoo.
If you guys want it back up, then fine, I’ll put it back up. I’ll be caving in to the people who are claiming “censorship” if anything, which is more upsetting to me than anything because I would actually be caving where as before I wasn’t doing anything but removing a post that I would not have published in the first place had I known the meaning of the tattoo.
This was the last comment I posted:
LaurenElizabeth posted here saying that it was a prussian war skull.
Automutilation: You seriously cannot credit Shannon with the swastika and “it’s resurgence as a peaceful symbol”. Try Buddhism. He and I discussed this post earlier today and we both agreed that it was a racist tattoo.
This is NOT CENSORSHIP. I am not going to promote hate on the site. The easiest thing I could do to quell this conversation would be to remove the post entirely. I’m not because I’m leaving the post up for discussion.
I’m tired of these “censorship” accusations. I let all the comments on modblog go through except for spam and people threatening to kill me. It isn’t censorship to remove a post that I don’t support. This is my blog and I get to decide what to promote. Hate Tattoos aren’t something I support.
Mike has been messaging me about the tattoos and claiming that I censor BME now and blah blah blah. I’ve asked him if he wants to recant the meaning of his SS unicorn tattoo because he claims that tattoo of the rainbow unicorn is the same as this totenkampf tattoo. If that’s the case then he’ll be removed from IAM for violating the tattoos. I thought it was clear that the SS Rainbow Unicorn was making a mockery of the hate behind white power. I guess I was wrong.
I am not “caving in” to people who are upset by the photo. Had I known it was a such a symbol of hatred and the torture and murder of millions of Jews, I would have never posted it in the first place. It should not have been posted. I am not offended by the tattoo.
If you guys want it back up, then fine, I’ll put it back up. I’ll be caving in to the people who are claiming “censorship” if anything, which is more upsetting to me than anything because I would actually be caving where as before I wasn’t doing anything but removing a post that I would not have published in the first place had I known the meaning of the tattoo.
I took down the post so we could have a meaningful discussion about the posting of racist/hate tattoos and what it means for our community. I did not want this to turn into an attack or discussion of the person wearing the tattoo.
If we post Buddhist swastikas along with Nazi swastikas then the general population will not learn the difference between the two. I am trying to educate the community outside of our small world and I have to do it the right way.
I took down the post so we could have a meaningful discussion about the posting of racist/hate tattoos and what it means for our community. I did not want this to turn into an attack or discussion of the person wearing the tattoo.
If we post Buddhist swastikas along with Nazi swastikas then the general population will not learn the difference between the two. I am trying to educate the community outside of our small world and I have to do it the right way.
I took down the post so we could have a meaningful discussion about the posting of racist/hate tattoos and what it means for our community. I did not want this to turn into an attack or discussion of the person wearing the tattoo.
If we post Buddhist swastikas along with Nazi swastikas then the general population will not learn the difference between the two. I am trying to educate the community outside of our small world and I have to do it the right way.
Did I hear my name?
The thing that bugged me on that last one was people playing a game of “maybe it’s not a Nazi totenkopf”. The thing is, it’s LINE-FOR-LINE a Nazi totenkopf. This isn’t like a swastika where it could be buddhist or any number of other things. This was a very specific iteration of the Nazi totenkopf, and to willfully say it isn’t either shows that the person is lying or that they’re totally ignorant. Anyone can go and look up the images and compare.
It bothers me a great deal when people get racist tattoos and then play a game of pretending that they’re not — “oh, it’s just runes” or “oh, it’s just about my heritage” or “no, I was born in ’88″ or whatever (and yes, I realize that “sometimes an 88 is just an 88″, but that’s not what I’m talking about here). What, you are “proud” enough of your politics to tattoo them, but ashamed enough to not be willing to admit it? Isn’t part of the BME mindset being proud of who you are and shouting it from the rooftops? The only thing worse in this context than lying about what you’re about while trying to communicate in a secret code with likeminded folks (“don’t piss on my legs and tell me it’s raining”), is when people get Nazi or otherwise problematic images because they’re ignorant of the meaning or worse yet, think they’re funny. Come on, believing really base attempts to shock is “funny” or “profound” or “cool” is childish.
Anyway, I like hearing everyone’s stories. Personally, I like hearing why someone got a nazi totenkopf, and I watch documentaries on every part of the human experience, and I tried to do that a bit on BME when I was editing it (hence things like the interview with a scratcher, and the shit-eating-aids-wanting interview that got some flack). What I don’t like are lies and ignorance and subterfuge and least of all, the false outrage.
This stuff should be documented on BME, but it should not be held up for idolization on ModBlog, at least not without an accompanying interview to give it context and commentary.
Did I hear my name?
The thing that bugged me on that last one was people playing a game of “maybe it’s not a Nazi totenkopf”. The thing is, it’s LINE-FOR-LINE a Nazi totenkopf. This isn’t like a swastika where it could be buddhist or any number of other things. This was a very specific iteration of the Nazi totenkopf, and to willfully say it isn’t either shows that the person is lying or that they’re totally ignorant. Anyone can go and look up the images and compare.
It bothers me a great deal when people get racist tattoos and then play a game of pretending that they’re not — “oh, it’s just runes” or “oh, it’s just about my heritage” or “no, I was born in ’88″ or whatever (and yes, I realize that “sometimes an 88 is just an 88″, but that’s not what I’m talking about here). What, you are “proud” enough of your politics to tattoo them, but ashamed enough to not be willing to admit it? Isn’t part of the BME mindset being proud of who you are and shouting it from the rooftops? The only thing worse in this context than lying about what you’re about while trying to communicate in a secret code with likeminded folks (“don’t piss on my legs and tell me it’s raining”), is when people get Nazi or otherwise problematic images because they’re ignorant of the meaning or worse yet, think they’re funny. Come on, believing really base attempts to shock is “funny” or “profound” or “cool” is childish.
Anyway, I like hearing everyone’s stories. Personally, I like hearing why someone got a nazi totenkopf, and I watch documentaries on every part of the human experience, and I tried to do that a bit on BME when I was editing it (hence things like the interview with a scratcher, and the shit-eating-aids-wanting interview that got some flack). What I don’t like are lies and ignorance and subterfuge and least of all, the false outrage.
This stuff should be documented on BME, but it should not be held up for idolization on ModBlog, at least not without an accompanying interview to give it context and commentary.
Did I hear my name?
The thing that bugged me on that last one was people playing a game of “maybe it’s not a Nazi totenkopf”. The thing is, it’s LINE-FOR-LINE a Nazi totenkopf. This isn’t like a swastika where it could be buddhist or any number of other things. This was a very specific iteration of the Nazi totenkopf, and to willfully say it isn’t either shows that the person is lying or that they’re totally ignorant. Anyone can go and look up the images and compare.
It bothers me a great deal when people get racist tattoos and then play a game of pretending that they’re not — “oh, it’s just runes” or “oh, it’s just about my heritage” or “no, I was born in ’88″ or whatever (and yes, I realize that “sometimes an 88 is just an 88″, but that’s not what I’m talking about here). What, you are “proud” enough of your politics to tattoo them, but ashamed enough to not be willing to admit it? Isn’t part of the BME mindset being proud of who you are and shouting it from the rooftops? The only thing worse in this context than lying about what you’re about while trying to communicate in a secret code with likeminded folks (“don’t piss on my legs and tell me it’s raining”), is when people get Nazi or otherwise problematic images because they’re ignorant of the meaning or worse yet, think they’re funny. Come on, believing really base attempts to shock is “funny” or “profound” or “cool” is childish.
Anyway, I like hearing everyone’s stories. Personally, I like hearing why someone got a nazi totenkopf, and I watch documentaries on every part of the human experience, and I tried to do that a bit on BME when I was editing it (hence things like the interview with a scratcher, and the shit-eating-aids-wanting interview that got some flack). What I don’t like are lies and ignorance and subterfuge and least of all, the false outrage.
This stuff should be documented on BME, but it should not be held up for idolization on ModBlog, at least not without an accompanying interview to give it context and commentary.
Thanks Shannon. I appreciate the post.
Thanks Shannon. I appreciate the post.
Thanks Shannon. I appreciate the post.
I saw that post, and I just thought of it as a random skull…now looking back (and trying to remember it) I suppose it could’ve been a totenkopf.
I’d like to thank you, Rachel, for doing a great job on BME – it’s not censorship to remove something that could be hate related and is causing a serious shit storm. I think that there is always a form of censorship, everywhere, and I think that it is very big of you guys at BME to have a special section for racial tattoos (I personally wouldn’t be able to as I’d probably find them so offensive!). It’s perfect, so it doesn’t offend anyone that doesn’t want to see it, but the questionable tattoos can still be seen by those that would like to see them for whatever reason (whether it be curiosity or wanting to learn some of the symbols, or even people who are racist).
I saw that post, and I just thought of it as a random skull…now looking back (and trying to remember it) I suppose it could’ve been a totenkopf.
I’d like to thank you, Rachel, for doing a great job on BME – it’s not censorship to remove something that could be hate related and is causing a serious shit storm. I think that there is always a form of censorship, everywhere, and I think that it is very big of you guys at BME to have a special section for racial tattoos (I personally wouldn’t be able to as I’d probably find them so offensive!). It’s perfect, so it doesn’t offend anyone that doesn’t want to see it, but the questionable tattoos can still be seen by those that would like to see them for whatever reason (whether it be curiosity or wanting to learn some of the symbols, or even people who are racist).
I saw that post, and I just thought of it as a random skull…now looking back (and trying to remember it) I suppose it could’ve been a totenkopf.
I’d like to thank you, Rachel, for doing a great job on BME – it’s not censorship to remove something that could be hate related and is causing a serious shit storm. I think that there is always a form of censorship, everywhere, and I think that it is very big of you guys at BME to have a special section for racial tattoos (I personally wouldn’t be able to as I’d probably find them so offensive!). It’s perfect, so it doesn’t offend anyone that doesn’t want to see it, but the questionable tattoos can still be seen by those that would like to see them for whatever reason (whether it be curiosity or wanting to learn some of the symbols, or even people who are racist).
I just realized how much the two “SS” at the end of “KISS” (the band) look like the SS symbols from Germany.
I just realized how much the two “SS” at the end of “KISS” (the band) look like the SS symbols from Germany.
I just realized how much the two “SS” at the end of “KISS” (the band) look like the SS symbols from Germany.
Nice to see Shannon involved in this “philosophy of BME” discussion.
IMO, it’s fine to catalog it on BME. I have no problem with cataloging. ManWoman was one of the first modded people I ever saw (many, many years ago) and I was impressed by his decision. He had a reason for doing what he did. Presumably the girl from the previous post did too, and the guy with the Hitler portrait, etc. Whatever their reasons are, they are VALID REASONS.
Now, I think artists should not be forced to do such tattoos. They have personal integrity at stake; if they don’t want to tattoo what they perceive as an offensive symbol, they shouldn’t have to. But if someone DOES do such a tattoo, their work should be cataloged. The variety of things people get on their bodies should be cataloged. No arguments here about that. Put the Aryan Brotherhood tattoos up here too.
HOWEVER…I don’t think it’s necessary on ModBlog. The picture in question was already removed by the time I saw the post, so I have no idea if it was actually posted as a super massive awesome piece of artwork, or just a hot chick. But ModBlog is a subjective collection of “these are the best works” and NOT a catalog. As blog writers, you have to consider what your audience will enjoy the most. Clearly, the readers of ModBlog don’t want to see Nazi symbols. When writing a blog (which I have done for nearly 10 years now) you have to consider your audience. If you don’t do that, you won’t have an audience for long.
To summarize: Catalog it in BME – yes. Showcase it on ModBlog – no.
Nice to see Shannon involved in this “philosophy of BME” discussion.
IMO, it’s fine to catalog it on BME. I have no problem with cataloging. ManWoman was one of the first modded people I ever saw (many, many years ago) and I was impressed by his decision. He had a reason for doing what he did. Presumably the girl from the previous post did too, and the guy with the Hitler portrait, etc. Whatever their reasons are, they are VALID REASONS.
Now, I think artists should not be forced to do such tattoos. They have personal integrity at stake; if they don’t want to tattoo what they perceive as an offensive symbol, they shouldn’t have to. But if someone DOES do such a tattoo, their work should be cataloged. The variety of things people get on their bodies should be cataloged. No arguments here about that. Put the Aryan Brotherhood tattoos up here too.
HOWEVER…I don’t think it’s necessary on ModBlog. The picture in question was already removed by the time I saw the post, so I have no idea if it was actually posted as a super massive awesome piece of artwork, or just a hot chick. But ModBlog is a subjective collection of “these are the best works” and NOT a catalog. As blog writers, you have to consider what your audience will enjoy the most. Clearly, the readers of ModBlog don’t want to see Nazi symbols. When writing a blog (which I have done for nearly 10 years now) you have to consider your audience. If you don’t do that, you won’t have an audience for long.
To summarize: Catalog it in BME – yes. Showcase it on ModBlog – no.
Nice to see Shannon involved in this “philosophy of BME” discussion.
IMO, it’s fine to catalog it on BME. I have no problem with cataloging. ManWoman was one of the first modded people I ever saw (many, many years ago) and I was impressed by his decision. He had a reason for doing what he did. Presumably the girl from the previous post did too, and the guy with the Hitler portrait, etc. Whatever their reasons are, they are VALID REASONS.
Now, I think artists should not be forced to do such tattoos. They have personal integrity at stake; if they don’t want to tattoo what they perceive as an offensive symbol, they shouldn’t have to. But if someone DOES do such a tattoo, their work should be cataloged. The variety of things people get on their bodies should be cataloged. No arguments here about that. Put the Aryan Brotherhood tattoos up here too.
HOWEVER…I don’t think it’s necessary on ModBlog. The picture in question was already removed by the time I saw the post, so I have no idea if it was actually posted as a super massive awesome piece of artwork, or just a hot chick. But ModBlog is a subjective collection of “these are the best works” and NOT a catalog. As blog writers, you have to consider what your audience will enjoy the most. Clearly, the readers of ModBlog don’t want to see Nazi symbols. When writing a blog (which I have done for nearly 10 years now) you have to consider your audience. If you don’t do that, you won’t have an audience for long.
To summarize: Catalog it in BME – yes. Showcase it on ModBlog – no.
great … now i gotta worry about where the bones cross on my skulls.
i didnt pay enough attention to the chest tat to weigh in,
i kinda wish i could see it again :C
it seems odd, that two posts after goggle or whatever calling ‘porn’
we have a giant grain of sand in our twat over a skull …
im not sayin’ anything,
im just sayin …
great … now i gotta worry about where the bones cross on my skulls.
i didnt pay enough attention to the chest tat to weigh in,
i kinda wish i could see it again :C
it seems odd, that two posts after goggle or whatever calling ‘porn’
we have a giant grain of sand in our twat over a skull …
im not sayin’ anything,
im just sayin …
great … now i gotta worry about where the bones cross on my skulls.
i didnt pay enough attention to the chest tat to weigh in,
i kinda wish i could see it again :C
it seems odd, that two posts after goggle or whatever calling ‘porn’
we have a giant grain of sand in our twat over a skull …
im not sayin’ anything,
im just sayin …
Censorship is done by government entities or by media. Privately-run websites such as ModBlog have every right to choose what content they wish to display. Which is to say that eejits who want to see racist tattoos can go elsewhere; Rachel and the ModBlog staff are absolutely within their rights not to want to air such stupidity and vileness here.
Censorship is done by government entities or by media. Privately-run websites such as ModBlog have every right to choose what content they wish to display. Which is to say that eejits who want to see racist tattoos can go elsewhere; Rachel and the ModBlog staff are absolutely within their rights not to want to air such stupidity and vileness here.
Censorship is done by government entities or by media. Privately-run websites such as ModBlog have every right to choose what content they wish to display. Which is to say that eejits who want to see racist tattoos can go elsewhere; Rachel and the ModBlog staff are absolutely within their rights not to want to air such stupidity and vileness here.
I completely agree with Banana bread and Rowan. I fully support keeping hateful images off of modblog
I completely agree with Banana bread and Rowan. I fully support keeping hateful images off of modblog
I completely agree with Banana bread and Rowan. I fully support keeping hateful images off of modblog
i think the whole thing is a slippery slope.
even i don’t totally disagree with removing the post.
the fact is….it is divisive.
where it gets cloudy is the idea of attempting to purge iam of “racists”.
i mean, where does it stop….Ok….no prior links to hate groups, or related web sites….no tattoos that could be deemed racist…up to and including runes or then any norse mythology…..then celtic mythology, what about confederate flags, or american flags….
Do we then have to sign a statement swearing we are not a racist?
Or have to swear we have never said the “N” word.
Lets face it…we ALL see the drama that thrives in a lot of these forums especially the private ones.
We are NOT a community of friends.
I mean, everyone knows the iam member who has the random TOS generator on his page….yet has HE ever been TOS’d?
That doesn’t mean we are NOT a community.
I am not here to argue for or against racists…I DON”T CARE.
i only argue in favor of TITTIES.
i think the whole thing is a slippery slope.
even i don’t totally disagree with removing the post.
the fact is….it is divisive.
where it gets cloudy is the idea of attempting to purge iam of “racists”.
i mean, where does it stop….Ok….no prior links to hate groups, or related web sites….no tattoos that could be deemed racist…up to and including runes or then any norse mythology…..then celtic mythology, what about confederate flags, or american flags….
Do we then have to sign a statement swearing we are not a racist?
Or have to swear we have never said the “N” word.
Lets face it…we ALL see the drama that thrives in a lot of these forums especially the private ones.
We are NOT a community of friends.
I mean, everyone knows the iam member who has the random TOS generator on his page….yet has HE ever been TOS’d?
That doesn’t mean we are NOT a community.
I am not here to argue for or against racists…I DON”T CARE.
i only argue in favor of TITTIES.
i think the whole thing is a slippery slope.
even i don’t totally disagree with removing the post.
the fact is….it is divisive.
where it gets cloudy is the idea of attempting to purge iam of “racists”.
i mean, where does it stop….Ok….no prior links to hate groups, or related web sites….no tattoos that could be deemed racist…up to and including runes or then any norse mythology…..then celtic mythology, what about confederate flags, or american flags….
Do we then have to sign a statement swearing we are not a racist?
Or have to swear we have never said the “N” word.
Lets face it…we ALL see the drama that thrives in a lot of these forums especially the private ones.
We are NOT a community of friends.
I mean, everyone knows the iam member who has the random TOS generator on his page….yet has HE ever been TOS’d?
That doesn’t mean we are NOT a community.
I am not here to argue for or against racists…I DON”T CARE.
i only argue in favor of TITTIES.
seriously, the itty bitty tattoo picture causing controversy? lol.
seriously, the itty bitty tattoo picture causing controversy? lol.
seriously, the itty bitty tattoo picture causing controversy? lol.
I have to say that one was new to me. Really, I thought I was familiar with the majority of them but I wouldn’t have caught on to that one either.
Like Rachel said, we aren’t going to necessarily recognize every hate tattoo and unfortunately, like Shannon and Rachel both mentioned, most people with hate tattoos won’t admit that they’re hate tattoos.
I have to say that one was new to me. Really, I thought I was familiar with the majority of them but I wouldn’t have caught on to that one either.
Like Rachel said, we aren’t going to necessarily recognize every hate tattoo and unfortunately, like Shannon and Rachel both mentioned, most people with hate tattoos won’t admit that they’re hate tattoos.
I have to say that one was new to me. Really, I thought I was familiar with the majority of them but I wouldn’t have caught on to that one either.
Like Rachel said, we aren’t going to necessarily recognize every hate tattoo and unfortunately, like Shannon and Rachel both mentioned, most people with hate tattoos won’t admit that they’re hate tattoos.
I didn’t see the post but…. Can I just mention how fucking happy it makes me to see Shannon and Rachel being kind to each other?! As stupid as it sounds it really did make my night!
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I didn’t see the post but…. Can I just mention how fucking happy it makes me to see Shannon and Rachel being kind to each other?! As stupid as it sounds it really did make my night!
😀
I didn’t see the post but…. Can I just mention how fucking happy it makes me to see Shannon and Rachel being kind to each other?! As stupid as it sounds it really did make my night!
😀
The thing I found odd about it was that I believe (and correct me if I am wrong) she posted something saying about how her Grandfather was in the war and I’m assuming that was her idea behind getting it.
I almost wish she either told us PRECISELY why she got it, or that she owned up to the ignorance of not realizing what is was (although I highly doubt that).
Also it makes me curious about the placement of it too. I personally think for a while about things like that. For example for some reason chest pieces, or any type of torso work always have some sort of greater importance. Almost because it’s close to the heart in a way.
Yeah……I sound a little sentimental. I’ll be quiet now =(
The thing I found odd about it was that I believe (and correct me if I am wrong) she posted something saying about how her Grandfather was in the war and I’m assuming that was her idea behind getting it.
I almost wish she either told us PRECISELY why she got it, or that she owned up to the ignorance of not realizing what is was (although I highly doubt that).
Also it makes me curious about the placement of it too. I personally think for a while about things like that. For example for some reason chest pieces, or any type of torso work always have some sort of greater importance. Almost because it’s close to the heart in a way.
Yeah……I sound a little sentimental. I’ll be quiet now =(
The thing I found odd about it was that I believe (and correct me if I am wrong) she posted something saying about how her Grandfather was in the war and I’m assuming that was her idea behind getting it.
I almost wish she either told us PRECISELY why she got it, or that she owned up to the ignorance of not realizing what is was (although I highly doubt that).
Also it makes me curious about the placement of it too. I personally think for a while about things like that. For example for some reason chest pieces, or any type of torso work always have some sort of greater importance. Almost because it’s close to the heart in a way.
Yeah……I sound a little sentimental. I’ll be quiet now =(
Also sorry to Rachel if I offended you with my comment on the last one.
I wasn’t trying to say that your censoring anything, but mainly that you have the complete right to kick whatever it may be off here.
And also thumbs up for being as diplomatic as possible.
Also sorry to Rachel if I offended you with my comment on the last one.
I wasn’t trying to say that your censoring anything, but mainly that you have the complete right to kick whatever it may be off here.
And also thumbs up for being as diplomatic as possible.
Also sorry to Rachel if I offended you with my comment on the last one.
I wasn’t trying to say that your censoring anything, but mainly that you have the complete right to kick whatever it may be off here.
And also thumbs up for being as diplomatic as possible.
It’s kind of hard to have a discussion about this when you got rid of the post. It leaves no context for anyone else to discuss or look back to for reference.. No one that wasn’t already a part of the conversation can join.
This post wasn’t about white power tattoos, it was about small titties. There happened to be a white power tattoo in it. Then they erased the picture. Then brought it back, with the tattoo edited out. Then erased the post entirely.
According to wiki, “Censorship is the suppression of speech or deletion of communicative material which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or inconvenient to the government or media organizations as determined by a censor.”
I would feel comfortable to call this a media outlet. FoxNews is a media outlet. When you suppress information or “communicative material” it is censorship. Though I understand it is Fox’s right and ability do so, as well as it is yours, that does not mean I agree. Rupert Murdoch can broadcast anything he wants and suppress anything he wants. Does that mean it’s right? Obviously, that’s an extreme example but still the same concept.
I don’t believe in any form of censorship, and that’s what my position is and my problem with this in general.. Just because it’s something you don’t like, shouldn’t mean it’s removed. I’m all for bashing it, but deletion is removing information. When you remove information you stifle diversity. This site is based on diversity. Censorship should never be on this site.
That’s my logic.. and my gripe.
It’s kind of hard to have a discussion about this when you got rid of the post. It leaves no context for anyone else to discuss or look back to for reference.. No one that wasn’t already a part of the conversation can join.
This post wasn’t about white power tattoos, it was about small titties. There happened to be a white power tattoo in it. Then they erased the picture. Then brought it back, with the tattoo edited out. Then erased the post entirely.
According to wiki, “Censorship is the suppression of speech or deletion of communicative material which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or inconvenient to the government or media organizations as determined by a censor.”
I would feel comfortable to call this a media outlet. FoxNews is a media outlet. When you suppress information or “communicative material” it is censorship. Though I understand it is Fox’s right and ability do so, as well as it is yours, that does not mean I agree. Rupert Murdoch can broadcast anything he wants and suppress anything he wants. Does that mean it’s right? Obviously, that’s an extreme example but still the same concept.
I don’t believe in any form of censorship, and that’s what my position is and my problem with this in general.. Just because it’s something you don’t like, shouldn’t mean it’s removed. I’m all for bashing it, but deletion is removing information. When you remove information you stifle diversity. This site is based on diversity. Censorship should never be on this site.
That’s my logic.. and my gripe.