Welcome to the very first edition of BME’s Big Question! In this weekly (hopefully) feature, we’re going to ask a handful of the community’s best and brightest piercers, tattooists, heavy mod practitioners and shop owners for their opinion on one question or issue that’s affecting the body modification community. Many, many thanks to all of the contributors.
If you’d like to be a part of future editions, or if you have an idea for an issue or question you’d like to see addressed, please e-mail me.
This week’s question:
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| Meg Barber |
Call me old fashioned, call me “against modification” … whatever. I’ll look at you and laugh, but yes, you can be too modified for this industry.
The way I see it, the average client isn’t coming in to completely transform their body. They are coming in for a cute accessory, a nice little tchotchke to accent their face or body. They aren’t completely immersed in the modification world, nor do they wish to be. They will identify more with a piercer or tattoo artist that is lightly and attractively modified over one that is totally pierced, tattooed, and implanted.
I work in a very high end piercing spa in Manhattan. At our studio, I am the most heavily modified person on the staff. Clients really need to hear me speak before they will trust me at times, and they never believe me when I say something doesn’t hurt or whatever, because I am obviously a pain freak. Also, my mods can be a distraction — some clients are too busy staring at my earlobes to listen to what I am trying to tell them!
We carefully screen our employees before we hire them, and if we deem them to be too modified, we pass on them even if they are very skilled. We want our staff to reflect our clientele, and I know Maria really had to do some thinking before bringing me on because of my appearance.
I know it sounds a little judgmental coming from the standpoint of a heavily modified piercer working in the modification industry, but that’s the way it is with our shop, and I personally like the policy.
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| Stephen DeToma |
I absolutely think that it’s possible, but that’s not to say that it applies to all businesses. I think a large part of the equation involves the vision the owner of the hiring studio has for the business. It’s unlikely that a tattoo studio supplementing its monthly income through piercing would hire an individual with heavy, visual modifications. The studio I apprenticed in, which was largely a flash-based tattoo studio, fired a tattoo artist for tattooing his chin/lower lip area. I don’t think there’s any denying that there are people who operate tattoo and piercing studios across the country, people who modify people’s bodies on a daily basis, who are themselves uncomfortable with modified individuals.
It’s certainly putting all of your eggs in one basket to assume that simply because you have these modifications, you’ll be able to get a job piercing (or otherwise).
Region certainly will play a part. You may be too pierced to work at a mom and pop tattoo shop in Kansas, but the same person may have no problem finding work in Oregon, Austin or elsewhere. I think it’s important to point out that, while it’s each individual’s right to do with their body what they see fit, it’s a business owner’s right to build their business in the same manner, regardless of if anyone else likes it. A studio environment, for as relaxed and open as they typically are, is still a customer service based, retail environment that requires public interaction. Who do you cater to? Who is your client base? And what is their level of comfort?
Is it a question of approachability? The owner may be concerned with people’s ability or willingness to converse/have work done with someone bearing such strong mods. I think we all know that to judge a book by its cover is foolish, but the general public who do not operate on the same level we do from day to day, tend to shoot first and ask questions later.
Do the quality of the modifications come into play? Someone with a great deal of crooked, improperly placed piercings in their face for example, does not make a great spokesperson for the business. What about the subject matter? If you have a pentagram tattooed on your face or an upside down cross branded on your forehead, you’re sending a strong message without saying a word to potential employers.
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| Steve Truitt |
I think it would depend on the place they’re trying to work. Most tattoo artists are a lot more conservative in appearance than a lot of piercers, so I could see it harder for someone to get into tattooing if they look really extreme.
Many “normal” people are getting tattooed now because of TV shows like Miami and L.A. Ink. I could easily see a lot of those type of people getting scared away if they went to a studio and saw someone with giant horns and a huge plate in their lip, so if that’s the type of client a certain studio caters to, then it definitely wouldn’t work to have someone that looks that crazy working there.
On the other hand, personality can go a long way. I’ve seen quite a few heavily modified people that are extremely friendly and outgoing and have no problem making conversation and dealing with other people. Then I’ve seen a lot that are distant and withdrawn and they don’t seem to be able to relate to people and that can make people very uncomfortable, which wouldn’t be good for a working environment.
The quality of the work is also important to note. If someone is covered with very well done professional work, it shows. If they are covered in a bunch of crap they did themselves or at someone’s house or by someone who just sucks, it also shows and makes the person look that much more unprofessional. Also, if the work they have done is aesthetically pleasing to look at and fits the person then that person seems to have fewer problems dealing with people.
The Lizardman is a great example of this. Everything he has done is obviously professionally done and looks like it should be there. Nothing he has looks out of place or like it doesn’t belong on him. His intelligence and personality also play big roles in how his interactions with people go. Any time I’ve seen people meet him for the first time they go away saying, “Wow, I just met the Lizardman, he’s so cool,” etc. I’ve seen poeple meet other heavily modified people that aren’t as outgoing (I’m not going to name names here and offend anyone in particular) and walk away saying things like “Wow, that guy was crazy looking … what a freak! Why would he do that to himself? What’s wrong with him?”
So overall, it may not necessarily be that someone is too modified to work in a shop, but that they don’t fit in because of a combination of their mods and personality.
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| Ryan Ouellette |
I never ever in my life thought I’d get to a place where I could legitimately have a “kids these days” opinion on something, but here it is. Body modification, like all pop fashion, is just getting stupid. The problem is that “kids these days” don’t ease into modification, they jump in face first — pun intended. I don’t think that studios have a problem with modified employees, I think they have a problem with unprofessional-looking employees. In my studio we all have lots of visible mods, mostly tattoo sleeves, but I also have large gauge punched out conches, microdermals on my face, numerous piercings, yada yada. But I still consider myself to be professional-looking. As a studio owner myself, let’s say two people came into my studio with the exact same experience looking for a job. If both are heavily modified, but only one does it in a way that complements a professional look and mentality, then that’s the one I would want.
A lot of it has to do with clientele. You can look one way to do surface piercings for college kids, but you probably need to have a more subtle appearance to do $200 gemstone nostril piercings for older women. Most young people are just stupid, for lack of a better term, and they can’t imagine a world where they are 30 and need to pay a mortgage. They want to just live in their 17-year-old world and sell T-shirts at Hot Topic for $8/hour dreaming of the day they can be a super cool body piercer — and I would know. Because I did that.
I’m of the opinion that your hands/neck/face should not be tattooed or heavily modified until you have a steady career. I think that this is a profession where body modification should be embraced by both client and practitioner, but people should still treat it as a profession and try to maintain a respectable image.
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| John Joyce |
I don’t think it’s being too pierced, too tattooed, or too modified that keeps shop owners from hiring people. I think it’s being too covered in poorly done tattoos and piercings that keeps studio owners from hiring them.
For example: If a person has a lot of horribly done piercings or tattoos, or cheap jewelry all over their face, then it definitely doesn’t speak well for that particular person’s interest in the industry. If someone has taken the time to get 15 or 20 piercings, then by that point they should have enough interest in the art of body piercing to do some research. They should know the difference between a well placed piercing and one that looks like it was just smacked on with a dart gun. They should know the difference between a super shiny mirror finished Anatometal barbell and a dull piece from some mall store (*cough* Hot Topic *cough*). If they haven’t picked any of that up, then it shows that they really don’t care that much about this industry, or themselves for that matter, and I wouldn’t even waste my time interviewing the person. Now if someone walks in with 15-20 well placed piercings, all with super nice Anatometal, or Body Vision jewelry in them, I will immediately know that this person cares about their piercings, and put thought into them, because that’s exactly what I’d expect them to do with clients that they will be working with.
The same goes with someone looking for a tattoo apprenticeship. If you walk in and are covered with absolute shit, then it doesn’t speak very well about yourself.
The more interested you are in anything, whether it’s body piercing, tattooing or stamp collecting, the more research you should do on the subject. That research and your knowledge on the subject is what’s going to put you ahead of the 15 other people that have asked the studio owner for an apprenticeship that week.
It’s important for these people to remember that getting 15 piercings in two months, or stretching to two inches in six months, doesn’t impress a good piercer. It shows you are impatient, and not very responsible, and that is about it. The same can be said for kids getting their hands, throats, or even their faces tattooed before they have any other real coverage. It doesn’t impress a quality tattoo artist, and it doesn’t tell us you’re hard core, or more bad ass than your friends. What it does show is that you are impatient, and have put zero thought into the rest of your life.
There once was a time when tattoo artists wouldn’t do those things, and piercers cared more for their clientele. Unfortunately, this industry is full of rock stars and posting images that might make ModBlog seems to be more important these days.
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| Joy Rumore |
I do think that one can be “too modified” to work in a typical street shop.
A large portion of customers coming into street shops are first-timers. Most come in with groups of their friends. All minors come in with their parents if they are planning to get worked on. Before they even get into the shop, they are nervous. Often, extreme modifications or a large amount of modifications can make people more nervous if they aren’t used to being around them. Things that one is unfamiliar with are usually first interpreted as scary. They may project this view onto themselves and worry they will be classified as a “freak” even if they get a small, discrete piercing or tattoo. Some even think these heavily modified people couldn’t possibly be competent enough to perform a clean, safe procedure. Usually this is based on some fear that the practitioner must be mentally unstable or on drugs to think the way they look is acceptable and healthy.
If a minor or someone there with peers finds the extreme/multiple modifications attractive or interesting, they are often afraid to admit to their parents/peers that they are attracted to that kind of look because they will be be scolded or shunned. On top of that, parents may be more apprehensive about allowing their child to get a small piercing, viewing it as a “gateway drug” into looking like someone on the fringe of society and thus lessening their chances for a successful life. Most parents constantly strive to open doors for their children, not close them over something as “trivial” as a piercing.
Practitioners at specialty shops or custom/appointment-only shops tend to have better reactions to their heavy modifications because they are frequented by those in search of being heavily modified themselves. If those visiting specialty shops are not into heavy modification, they tend to expect seeing those who are extremely modified because these artists are often seen as “more serious” about their chosen lifestyle/career.
Day in and day out in every shop I’ve worked in (no matter what state), there are those who gasp and denounce what they see in our portfolios. I’ve always tried to educate those people and show them modifications on me so they can see that they are less scary or painful. I take more of an anthropological approach to these interactions. I explain the history and meaning behind the modifications. I try to compare personal body modification to more mainstream, accepted forms like cosmetic surgery, makeup and even haircuts. I don’t win them all, but I win most.
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| Ron Garza |
While I know many people will say no, I will answer with a resounding yes.
While it is true that people do come into a tattoo shop expecting to see the people working there somewhat covered in ink and some piercings, I don’t think having a very visibly modified staff is always needed or warranted. While yes, it is always better to speak from experience on things to clients, I don’t think the demand is that great for clients to know what having a one-inch lip or nostril hole is like to warrant so many people having them now.
Some cities are much more tattoo friendly than others – Denver, Atlanta, Austin and Seattle and Portland quickly come to mind. But then, traveling through parts of the south, mid west and east, the attitudes can be extremely different — even for just one-inch stretched lobes. In some of these communities where tattooing or piercing aren’t as prevalent as in other urban markets, I have personally witnessed staffs’ outward appearance actually intimidate potential clients and keep them from getting work or coming in. While some of us will all say we don’t do this for the money, we will all agree that no money sucks ass. So for the most part, we are doing it for survival, and are therefore doing it for the cash. Why alienate yourself further by losing all sense of resembling something somewhat human?
While I readily admit my views on the subject are more than a little biased from being visibly heavily tattooed and pierced for the better part of 15 years — and I do have respect for those that are “lifers” and are able to live life with visible heavy mods — I don’t think that life is for everyone, nor could it be. The thing separating individuals is the mental and emotional strength it takes to deal with public on a daily basis while being heavily modified. Many can’t deal with it mentally and I have personally known a few people that died at their own hands, in my opinion, because of it.
I used to want to tattoo my face (more), but I had promised my father, who already knew about my extremist nature, I wouldn’t tattoo my face until after he passed. At the time, I didn’t think I was going to make it past 21, much less be alive 16 years later, so I really wasn’t thinking of the future then, nor was my world view quite as encompassing as it is today, which definitely changed my outlook on things. I simply thought my father didn’t know the full depth of my passion for this.
What I didn’t understand was that he had the benefit of years of wisdom of being alive during very racially sensitive times and he knew first hand that division that exists in society for simply being different. For me to want to oust myself from that mainstream, on my own and on purpose, was something he couldn’t understand. Now that I have the benefit of a few years behind me, I can see the wisdom in his words.
The actual act of piercing is as old as man itself, and one can not deny the fact that for the most part, modification is a very western thing in today’s fashion circles in the USA and western Europe. Don’t get me wrong, there are enthusiasts in every culture and nation, but for the most part, piercing in the modern context that we know today is a very western idea. This was apparent to me while traveling through certain parts of Europe and not even receiving service at certain bars and restaurants because of my appearance.
I’m also in the process of having tattoos removed from my neck for the same reason. What means something to me can mean something completely different in another land, half way around the world. I was in Frankfurt, Germany, and got mistaken for a Nazi because of a tattoo on my neck that I received years ago. (I have a needle, barbell and captive bead ring in the shape of a Celtic cross on my neck.) What I didn’t know, but found out traveling through Germany (a culture highly aware of the sensitivity of Nazi symbolism that is lost here in the States), is that the Celtic cross has been adopted by some white nationalist, neo-Nazi and neo-fascist groups. Once I had it explained to me that a guy who winked at me and whispered what sounded like “Heil Himmler” in my ear probably actually thought I was part of one of those organizations, it became painfully to clear that what meant one thing to me, meant something completely different halfway around the world. Couple that with the fact that I was already a stranger in a strange land, an intruder into their country, and I didn’t see any reason to make myself stand out anymore than I already do with all my visible tattoo/modification work. I came back to the States and began laser tattoo removal sessions. I go back for my third treatment soon.
Another story that comes to mind is while traveling through Java and getting on packed trains — standing room only — on our way to see the presidential palace in the capitol of Bogor, we were singled out and had seats open next us, with everyone standing packed like sardines around us. It seemed no one wanted to sit next to the tattooed infidels. Even trying to buy water or bread at a stand was also a bit difficult, as they would just look through you and take the order of the person behind you, completely refusing to do business with someone who was clearly in violation of religious laws of the land with his physical appearance and attire. That doesn’t make you feel too good about the way you come off to others. Of course, being the asshole American and starting to yell or cause a scene would do no good, in addition to portraying me as an American stereotype that I don’t want to perpetuate. So, simply smiling and walking away mildly disgruntled is about all you can do. This was with me looking as normal as I can be, no piercings anywhere, and this was still the treatment I received. I can only imagine these people’s reactions if I had had a two-inch lip piercing or multiple sets of sub- or transdermal horns.
Of course, it wasn’t like this everywhere, but when it did happen, it only reinforced the fact that I was a visitor in their land. It was their home, not mine. I didn’t want to be overly intrusive or do anything to single me out any more than I already had with my very western way of walking, kneeling, dress and tattoos.
Because I’ve had these types of experiences that I feel so strongly about, and know what it’s like to be so visibly heavily modified — especially in another country, and since I don’t plan to live out my life here in America, my viewpoints may be a bit different from others’.
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| Derek Lowe |
Yes, it is possible to be “too modified” to work in a piercing/tattoo shop … at least to work in some piercing and tattoo shops. I don’t think it’s the rule by any means, but it is something I foresee happening more frequently over the next five years.
Just as with hair salons, clothing stores and restaurants (to name a few), there is an increasing diversity with regards to the style and “vibe” that shops are going for. Many new shops, and older shops who decide to remodel or move, are opting for more of a “spa” or “boutique” feel. I personally think this is a smart move, but I won’t bore anyone with my thoughts on that.
A studio with a “high-end” vibe is going to tend to attract a high-end client. That type of clientele, to put it quite bluntly, may not want to look at, let alone be touched by, people with facial tattoos, stretched nostril piercings and three inch earlobes, while getting their piercing or tattoo. Clearly there are giant doses of hypocrisy, ignorance and short-sightedness in that sort of outlook, but that’s the reality of the world where we live. While those of us in the “community” might not understand how someone could feel that way, many people do feel exactly that way about heavier, or abundant, modifications. As a service-oriented business, piercing and tattoo shops have to give some consideration to the experience and comfort level of their potential customers.
Gone are the days when a piercing or tattoo studio could treat people however they wanted, because there were so few shops that clients simply didn’t have other choices.
I think it’s more likely to find a “you’re too modified” stance at a studio that is owned by someone who isn’t a piercer or tattoo artist. A non-industry owner is likely going to look at things from more of a pure business perspective, where someone who is a piercer or tattoo artist is more likely to let their passion for their craft, and their personal feelings, influence their decisions, while potentially ignoring the ramifications those decisions might have on their business.
To completely rebuke what I just said, I should point out that I work at a very successful shop with more of a non-traditional atmosphere that is owned by a woman who is neither a piercer or tattoo artist. Over the years we have employed people who only had standard earlobe piercings on one end of the spectrum and people with full facial tattoos and half-inch nostril piercings at the other end of the spectrum.
For us it’s primarily about having the best person for the job, and not about how many modifications they do or don’t have. However, I won’t say that the extent, or the nature, of someone’s modifications will never ever influence a hiring a decision for us.
Anyone thinking that being heavily modified isn’t going to be an issue when it comes to finding a job, even as a piercer or tattoo artist, is potentially being a little naïve and short-sighted, in my opinion.
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| Allen Falkner |
The answer to this question is not nearly as black and white as you might think. In a perfect world the answer would be no, it is impossible to be too modified to work in tattoo/piercing shop. However, the answer is more complex and has a lot to do with customer relations and other qualities about the potential employee.
Let me give a quick example. Erik (Lizardman) Sprague, arguably one of the most heavily tattooed people in the world, could walk into almost any tattoo/piercing shop and get a job on the spot. Why? Well other than the fact that he’s highly intelligent and incredibly charismatic, he’s also very famous and would draw people into the shop. He’s a professional freak and this is part of his appeal. Would this work for another person? Maybe, maybe not. Like it or not, it all breaks down to the business’s clientele and how to appeal to people that walk through the door.
Yes, it’s true. People that seek out tattoos and piercings want the different and unusual. It really is the nature of the business and to a certain extent visible modifications are expected. I would even go so far as to say that, in most cases, it’s a prerequisite to work in a studio. That said, there is still a limit. People like the strange and the bizarre, but they don’t want to stray too far from their comfort zone. Does this mean someone with implanted horns and full facial tattooed can’t be excellent employees? No, far from it. The issue simply breaks down to what customers will accept. Most would agree that the tattoo/piercing community is more open-minded than most. However, even the most liberal aren’t always the most accepting.
What do you think? Let’s hear it in the comments.
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374 responses to “BME’s Big Question: #1”
Stainless, I totally agree w/you. And let me be very clear that I’m not in any way, shape, or form posting the idea in a negative form, nor am I bashing any of the people questioned, or the people that made follow up posts. I wish I could take a pole on the public, but even just me taking a pole would only have the results that I would acquire from the few hundred, to the few thousand (if that’s even possible for me to do before I tire) people, and wouldn’t be a relative enough number to justify the means. I was only offering up a suggestion. Because what it naturally boils down to is how well or how well-not a shop is going to do, based on an individuals bias to somebody that is either too modified, or not modified enough. It’s all the cash-flow game in retrospect. It’s about who will survive in the industry, and who will fail.
Stainless, I totally agree w/you. And let me be very clear that I’m not in any way, shape, or form posting the idea in a negative form, nor am I bashing any of the people questioned, or the people that made follow up posts. I wish I could take a pole on the public, but even just me taking a pole would only have the results that I would acquire from the few hundred, to the few thousand (if that’s even possible for me to do before I tire) people, and wouldn’t be a relative enough number to justify the means. I was only offering up a suggestion. Because what it naturally boils down to is how well or how well-not a shop is going to do, based on an individuals bias to somebody that is either too modified, or not modified enough. It’s all the cash-flow game in retrospect. It’s about who will survive in the industry, and who will fail.
bradly… what are you on ? i want to start selling that shit so i can have some more disposable income, so i can have some more work done.
bradly… what are you on ? i want to start selling that shit so i can have some more disposable income, so i can have some more work done.
These comments are getting ridiculous.
In more important matters; Jordon, could you rearrange the collage of all our faces so it looks like Meg and I are making out. Thanks, she makes me swoon
These comments are getting ridiculous.
In more important matters; Jordon, could you rearrange the collage of all our faces so it looks like Meg and I are making out. Thanks, she makes me swoon
I was secure with the decisions I made at 21, too.
21 isnt 34 though. Hindsight is an awesome thing 🙂
Oh. And bradley- Falkner and I have a bet as to which IAM member (or former IAM member) you are.
I was secure with the decisions I made at 21, too.
21 isnt 34 though. Hindsight is an awesome thing 🙂
Oh. And bradley- Falkner and I have a bet as to which IAM member (or former IAM member) you are.
John.
Thanks. Now I am blushing furiously.
What will Natalie think?!
John.
Thanks. Now I am blushing furiously.
What will Natalie think?!
I’m sure I came off as naive in my post, the real question here is, is it worth it to put in the effort trying to explain individual motives and beliefs at this point? it would seem the majority feeling you can be “too” modified have preferred to just lump everyone into the same pool and shake their fingers disapprovingly.
Which is disappointing since there are plenty of people on here that I would expect a higher level of open-mindedness, especially since there’s been a ton of voices that people truly look up to in this community.
My grandfather was a 50′s man and beat the shit out of my father for being a “hippie pussy”. He didn’t understand that a vast amount of his experiences simply didn’t apply to the new generation. I think it’s easy to forget that the world changes with each new generation, and things that may have held true for you may not apply, or at least not to the same degree as they did for you.
No one is doubting that you always grow, learn, etc, and that since there is clearly an older group in this discussion, you do have the upper hand in having lived longer and all the things that come with that. I just think its important that when dispersing this information not to sound like youre up on a high horse (and im not trying to call anyone out specifically here)
If i’m not mistaken, (but my memory is rather shit, so if these are slip ups, feel free to correct them), but i feel like i remember reading about John Joyce getting his septum pierced rather young at maybe a time when piercing wasnt quite so acceptable? and Shawn Porter doing some heavy genital work with Jack when he was rather young? As times change and move forward, is a sleeve on a 19 year old not the same sort of thing?
I’m sure I came off as naive in my post, the real question here is, is it worth it to put in the effort trying to explain individual motives and beliefs at this point? it would seem the majority feeling you can be “too” modified have preferred to just lump everyone into the same pool and shake their fingers disapprovingly.
Which is disappointing since there are plenty of people on here that I would expect a higher level of open-mindedness, especially since there’s been a ton of voices that people truly look up to in this community.
My grandfather was a 50′s man and beat the shit out of my father for being a “hippie pussy”. He didn’t understand that a vast amount of his experiences simply didn’t apply to the new generation. I think it’s easy to forget that the world changes with each new generation, and things that may have held true for you may not apply, or at least not to the same degree as they did for you.
No one is doubting that you always grow, learn, etc, and that since there is clearly an older group in this discussion, you do have the upper hand in having lived longer and all the things that come with that. I just think its important that when dispersing this information not to sound like youre up on a high horse (and im not trying to call anyone out specifically here)
If i’m not mistaken, (but my memory is rather shit, so if these are slip ups, feel free to correct them), but i feel like i remember reading about John Joyce getting his septum pierced rather young at maybe a time when piercing wasnt quite so acceptable? and Shawn Porter doing some heavy genital work with Jack when he was rather young? As times change and move forward, is a sleeve on a 19 year old not the same sort of thing?
Shawn Porter #103, I can see coming from an older modified person (older than young adults)… the concern for views changing as one does grow older, career wise, choice wise,… it is a very important thing to think about……”will this facial tattoo or extreme modification affect my future in any way”. I am 19 and do have very visible modifications, growing up I was around a whole ton of kids (my own age) ( and younger) who irresponsibly pierced themselves, tattooed themselves, infected themselves by not modifying properly. Will a whole lot of those kids grow up and regret what they did?? Yes most likely they will, but there are some of us younger adults who have actually researched and took the time learning and waiting for the proper way to modify, there are a lot of us who have worked very hard to be were we are career wise/future wise. While a good majority have not put any thought into “where will I be” or better…”where do I want to be” . I feel so strongly it is wrong to judge by age rather than by personality, knowledge, maturity. I love my job as a freelance photographer, It is my dream and passion from a very early age, I have worked hard at a younger age to be where I am today modified and all….and I look forward to turning 37 and still be doing what I enjoy and love…being myself in every aspect!!!!!!!!! 🙂
Shawn Porter #103, I can see coming from an older modified person (older than young adults)… the concern for views changing as one does grow older, career wise, choice wise,… it is a very important thing to think about……”will this facial tattoo or extreme modification affect my future in any way”. I am 19 and do have very visible modifications, growing up I was around a whole ton of kids (my own age) ( and younger) who irresponsibly pierced themselves, tattooed themselves, infected themselves by not modifying properly. Will a whole lot of those kids grow up and regret what they did?? Yes most likely they will, but there are some of us younger adults who have actually researched and took the time learning and waiting for the proper way to modify, there are a lot of us who have worked very hard to be were we are career wise/future wise. While a good majority have not put any thought into “where will I be” or better…”where do I want to be” . I feel so strongly it is wrong to judge by age rather than by personality, knowledge, maturity. I love my job as a freelance photographer, It is my dream and passion from a very early age, I have worked hard at a younger age to be where I am today modified and all….and I look forward to turning 37 and still be doing what I enjoy and love…being myself in every aspect!!!!!!!!! 🙂
I just want to high five Derek on explaining how much it costs to run a GOOD shop.
It is really insane to have to compete with shitty shops or bong shops that pierce (there’s one right across the street from me). The fact is, if you’re not in a super rich area and you’re trying to offer the best quality at someone reasonable prices – you end up with crazy overhead and a small profit margin. I probably make 17,000 or less a year.
We’re making every effort to advertise and speak in dorms. We’re knowledgable (sp.) and nice and are generally neat in appearance (I may rock jeans and not wear makeup but I don’t look dirty by any means) but the bottom line for many people still comes down to the fact that a navel piercing at our shop is $70 and they can get it for $25 across the street.
You ABSOLUTELY have to be business savvy in this business if you’re offering quality work and products.
I just want to high five Derek on explaining how much it costs to run a GOOD shop.
It is really insane to have to compete with shitty shops or bong shops that pierce (there’s one right across the street from me). The fact is, if you’re not in a super rich area and you’re trying to offer the best quality at someone reasonable prices – you end up with crazy overhead and a small profit margin. I probably make 17,000 or less a year.
We’re making every effort to advertise and speak in dorms. We’re knowledgable (sp.) and nice and are generally neat in appearance (I may rock jeans and not wear makeup but I don’t look dirty by any means) but the bottom line for many people still comes down to the fact that a navel piercing at our shop is $70 and they can get it for $25 across the street.
You ABSOLUTELY have to be business savvy in this business if you’re offering quality work and products.
*somewhat reasonable
*somewhat reasonable
#103 i hAVE never once hadany desire to bea memebr ehere oneday ill buy this site and shut it down …til then blahblahblaha
#103 i hAVE never once hadany desire to bea memebr ehere oneday ill buy this site and shut it down …til then blahblahblaha
oh bradley.. no one really cares as to what you think, heck most of us here can’t even make sense of your profound jibberish.
i’m a firm believer of that every single person has the right to have their own views about hundreds and thousands of topics, but never once should they enforce their views apon someone else nor discriminate them in any way because of their views whether that be verbally or physically.
so do what you will, but stop trolling this forum… be a nice person 🙂
peace.
oh bradley.. no one really cares as to what you think, heck most of us here can’t even make sense of your profound jibberish.
i’m a firm believer of that every single person has the right to have their own views about hundreds and thousands of topics, but never once should they enforce their views apon someone else nor discriminate them in any way because of their views whether that be verbally or physically.
so do what you will, but stop trolling this forum… be a nice person 🙂
peace.
music2ears=ink2skin: I’m not trying to lump all young heavily modded individuals together. But I will lump all young heavily modded individuals together who have poor quality work. Or who use the excuse that they are going to be a piercer. That is the deal breaker for me. If a young person has full sleeves and 2″ earlobes and has a job doing land scapeing or whatever, then more power to them. the point of this article wasn’t saying that you can’t get a job if you are heavily modified, the point was it is foolish to get heavily modified and say, “Oh, it’s OK, I’m going to be a piercer, or I’m going to be a tattoo artist.” Until you are one of those things it is foolish to think that it’s guaranteed that it will happen.
And you’re right, I got my septum pierced when I was 17. I also got it pierced with a retainer so I could hide it at work.
music2ears=ink2skin: I’m not trying to lump all young heavily modded individuals together. But I will lump all young heavily modded individuals together who have poor quality work. Or who use the excuse that they are going to be a piercer. That is the deal breaker for me. If a young person has full sleeves and 2″ earlobes and has a job doing land scapeing or whatever, then more power to them. the point of this article wasn’t saying that you can’t get a job if you are heavily modified, the point was it is foolish to get heavily modified and say, “Oh, it’s OK, I’m going to be a piercer, or I’m going to be a tattoo artist.” Until you are one of those things it is foolish to think that it’s guaranteed that it will happen.
And you’re right, I got my septum pierced when I was 17. I also got it pierced with a retainer so I could hide it at work.
With Derek’s explanation of costs, that isn’t even the tip of the iceberg!
A lot of it depends on where you are.. in Manhattan, not only are you in the most difficult place on earth to run a freakin’ business, but you are competing against every crap-tastic shop on the block while doing it.. which is why standing out by blending in works for us.
Until you work here or do a guest spot here, you don’t understand the difference in how this shop runs vs most shops.. it’s a different world!
But, as stated, we cater to a different clientele. Our clients aren’t the usual “2 steel balls” type of folks. We do alot of $5,000 navel piercings, and $1,600 rooks. Our client base is made up of models, actresses, musicians, and other very wealthy, very powerful people.. and generally, those are people that look down on the heavily modified. Not always, but it IS a common thing.. and so we present ourselves in a different manner to go with that, and also put modification into a different light FOR those people.
(for example.. piercings are “installations”, micro-dermals are called “gem anchors”, we really don’t carry much in the way of steel or titanium, etc.)
For us, and I’m sure this is where I should be dodging the stones that are going to get chucked at me, we would rather give piercing an upscale, mainstream feel. We want the idea of wearing stunning, high end jewelry to catch on.. and we want our clients to trust that we can talk diamonds with the best of ‘em.
When you shop in a traditional jewelry store, what does the staff look like?
Certainly not piercers/tattooists in general.
That’s what we want to portray.. that not all piercers have to look like piercers. If that makes sense.
That said, yeah, I’m heavily modified.. but Maria has been quoted as saying
“How is she gonna sell diamonds with a freakin’ demon on her throat?!”
I have proved that I can, and I have build up trust in our clients, but it took a lot of time. Much longer than it would of if I had no visible mods.
With Derek’s explanation of costs, that isn’t even the tip of the iceberg!
A lot of it depends on where you are.. in Manhattan, not only are you in the most difficult place on earth to run a freakin’ business, but you are competing against every crap-tastic shop on the block while doing it.. which is why standing out by blending in works for us.
Until you work here or do a guest spot here, you don’t understand the difference in how this shop runs vs most shops.. it’s a different world!
But, as stated, we cater to a different clientele. Our clients aren’t the usual “2 steel balls” type of folks. We do alot of $5,000 navel piercings, and $1,600 rooks. Our client base is made up of models, actresses, musicians, and other very wealthy, very powerful people.. and generally, those are people that look down on the heavily modified. Not always, but it IS a common thing.. and so we present ourselves in a different manner to go with that, and also put modification into a different light FOR those people.
(for example.. piercings are “installations”, micro-dermals are called “gem anchors”, we really don’t carry much in the way of steel or titanium, etc.)
For us, and I’m sure this is where I should be dodging the stones that are going to get chucked at me, we would rather give piercing an upscale, mainstream feel. We want the idea of wearing stunning, high end jewelry to catch on.. and we want our clients to trust that we can talk diamonds with the best of ‘em.
When you shop in a traditional jewelry store, what does the staff look like?
Certainly not piercers/tattooists in general.
That’s what we want to portray.. that not all piercers have to look like piercers. If that makes sense.
That said, yeah, I’m heavily modified.. but Maria has been quoted as saying
“How is she gonna sell diamonds with a freakin’ demon on her throat?!”
I have proved that I can, and I have build up trust in our clients, but it took a lot of time. Much longer than it would of if I had no visible mods.
I was fired about a month and a half ago from the walmart piercing studios of austin, atomic tattoo. I was told that I was too heavily modified and that I should assimilate to suburban culture to make them feel more comfortable coming in to get pierced and tattooed. So I opened My own studio. sure if you want to do high volume work catering to the whims and perceptions of those outside your lifestyle by using the lowest quality everything to bring cheap prices to the masses, and accommodate thier comfort levels for dollars then do it. There is an obvious niche for it. I choose to maintain the life I live on My terms. One of the biggest problems I find in our industry is how many of the artist bow down to the pressures of the potential clients. I will not let them dictate price to Me any more, I will not let them dictate My dress and grooming standards, I will not let them dictate how I run My business pressuring us to align our “alternative” lifestyle to match the mainstream. I dont want what they have in life to offer(not that it is bad or wrong, just not what I want). It is them that want what I have in this industry to offer. If they want it, I am all for it but it is on My terms not theirs. If they want it under their comfort model they can go to one of the hack shops or mainstream ones that get bullied into conforming to the wishes of the masses. I will only offer the highest quality in experience, standards, jewelry, and ability, all of which are reflected in My appearance. So I guess if you want to be a slave to the mainstream population then yes you can be too heavily modified to work in one of those shops. Otherwise do your own shit.
I was fired about a month and a half ago from the walmart piercing studios of austin, atomic tattoo. I was told that I was too heavily modified and that I should assimilate to suburban culture to make them feel more comfortable coming in to get pierced and tattooed. So I opened My own studio. sure if you want to do high volume work catering to the whims and perceptions of those outside your lifestyle by using the lowest quality everything to bring cheap prices to the masses, and accommodate thier comfort levels for dollars then do it. There is an obvious niche for it. I choose to maintain the life I live on My terms. One of the biggest problems I find in our industry is how many of the artist bow down to the pressures of the potential clients. I will not let them dictate price to Me any more, I will not let them dictate My dress and grooming standards, I will not let them dictate how I run My business pressuring us to align our “alternative” lifestyle to match the mainstream. I dont want what they have in life to offer(not that it is bad or wrong, just not what I want). It is them that want what I have in this industry to offer. If they want it, I am all for it but it is on My terms not theirs. If they want it under their comfort model they can go to one of the hack shops or mainstream ones that get bullied into conforming to the wishes of the masses. I will only offer the highest quality in experience, standards, jewelry, and ability, all of which are reflected in My appearance. So I guess if you want to be a slave to the mainstream population then yes you can be too heavily modified to work in one of those shops. Otherwise do your own shit.
going back to Cali #110 ur A LOSSER for sure every1 should think just like me ….aand megg is a Big Losser i refused to buy my cheesyburger from the chcick cuase she was fat and ugly(in book) bought i bought some chocliate chip cookies fromthe real hot momma never mind the meat and sugar
going back to Cali #110 ur A LOSSER for sure every1 should think just like me ….aand megg is a Big Losser i refused to buy my cheesyburger from the chcick cuase she was fat and ugly(in book) bought i bought some chocliate chip cookies fromthe real hot momma never mind the meat and sugar
it sounds like most of you have missed the point.
if you are an employee in a tattoo/piercing shop you are playing by the owner’s rules. you will be hired and fired based on the performance THEY expect from their employees. if you want to make the decisions, open up your own business and look however you want and hire whoever you want… which is exactly what i did.
no one’s sitting here saying you can’t do what you want; just be responsible for your actions when you can’t get a job because of your appearance or when someone misjudges you because of your appearance or when you’re significant other doesn’t want you to meet their parents because of your appearance.
put on the big-boy pants. the world is not open-minded… remember that.
it sounds like most of you have missed the point.
if you are an employee in a tattoo/piercing shop you are playing by the owner’s rules. you will be hired and fired based on the performance THEY expect from their employees. if you want to make the decisions, open up your own business and look however you want and hire whoever you want… which is exactly what i did.
no one’s sitting here saying you can’t do what you want; just be responsible for your actions when you can’t get a job because of your appearance or when someone misjudges you because of your appearance or when you’re significant other doesn’t want you to meet their parents because of your appearance.
put on the big-boy pants. the world is not open-minded… remember that.
#115 u look good butur portfolio sux so i wouldnt hire u (at least not at my tattoo shop)maybe selling sumthin at my clothing botique (but the beagel tattoo aint that bad)
#115 u look good butur portfolio sux so i wouldnt hire u (at least not at my tattoo shop)maybe selling sumthin at my clothing botique (but the beagel tattoo aint that bad)
hahahaaa. if you open a boUtique send me an application.
hahahaaa. if you open a boUtique send me an application.
I hate it when I see a hot young black male here in Memphis, and he grins at me and I see nothing but shiney silver in his mouth. I don’t mean braces, but mouth “grills”. I think it is one of the gaudiest and most disgusting things in the known moded universe.
That is my opinion. I am allowed my opinion. I know hundreds, if not thousands of people will or won’t agree with me. There is nothing wrong with that. You just won’t ever see me with a grill.
However, I do think fitting your hand through a hole in someone’s overly stretched testicals is fucking awesome. Someone may find that disgusting. I think it’s hot.
I believe those in the moded world, whether they have the standard 18/20 gauge lobe piercings only or an entire body full of metal, ink, plastic or other, should stop worrying about discrimination and the like. There will always be a person, or persons, who will not like what you do to your body whether it is your f*cking mother, your best friend, your toy, pet, coworker, boss, w/e. They have the right to not like what you do. The same goes for you not liking what someone else has done.
Why do you care, why do you give a flying f*ck if it doesn’t stop you from doing what you will or won’t do?
As Stephen DeToma said in the article, “I think it’s important to point out that, while it’s each individual’s right to do with their body what they see fit, it’s a business owner’s right to build their business in the same manner, regardless of if anyone else likes it.” If a buisness owner does or does not want a visibly heavily modified artist working for them, that is their right, it is their buisness. They want to attract a certain clientel, they will do it how they see fit. That does not make them lame, it does not make them losers, assholes, morons, jerks, bigots, f*cktards or w/e else you can imagine calling them. They have the right to do as they see fit with their property, just as you do yours.
I hate it when I see a hot young black male here in Memphis, and he grins at me and I see nothing but shiney silver in his mouth. I don’t mean braces, but mouth “grills”. I think it is one of the gaudiest and most disgusting things in the known moded universe.
That is my opinion. I am allowed my opinion. I know hundreds, if not thousands of people will or won’t agree with me. There is nothing wrong with that. You just won’t ever see me with a grill.
However, I do think fitting your hand through a hole in someone’s overly stretched testicals is fucking awesome. Someone may find that disgusting. I think it’s hot.
I believe those in the moded world, whether they have the standard 18/20 gauge lobe piercings only or an entire body full of metal, ink, plastic or other, should stop worrying about discrimination and the like. There will always be a person, or persons, who will not like what you do to your body whether it is your f*cking mother, your best friend, your toy, pet, coworker, boss, w/e. They have the right to not like what you do. The same goes for you not liking what someone else has done.
Why do you care, why do you give a flying f*ck if it doesn’t stop you from doing what you will or won’t do?
As Stephen DeToma said in the article, “I think it’s important to point out that, while it’s each individual’s right to do with their body what they see fit, it’s a business owner’s right to build their business in the same manner, regardless of if anyone else likes it.” If a buisness owner does or does not want a visibly heavily modified artist working for them, that is their right, it is their buisness. They want to attract a certain clientel, they will do it how they see fit. That does not make them lame, it does not make them losers, assholes, morons, jerks, bigots, f*cktards or w/e else you can imagine calling them. They have the right to do as they see fit with their property, just as you do yours.
“and I look forward to turning 37 and still be doing what I enjoy and love…being myself in every aspect!!!!!!!!! :)”
I’m still very much myself- it’s just that my concept of “myself” has evolved over the years.
And the comment about me being modified as a youngin by Jack:
Absolutely. And that generation taught me a lot about restraint, common sense and respect. I don’t see much of that these days.
“and I look forward to turning 37 and still be doing what I enjoy and love…being myself in every aspect!!!!!!!!! :)”
I’m still very much myself- it’s just that my concept of “myself” has evolved over the years.
And the comment about me being modified as a youngin by Jack:
Absolutely. And that generation taught me a lot about restraint, common sense and respect. I don’t see much of that these days.
#118“I think it’s important to point out that ur a a losser and an ouitstanding what at that whats next dont hire blacks,or women or amputeees,or midget,or hookers(if i have the $ iwould) any takers for free(female only plz)
#118“I think it’s important to point out that ur a a losser and an ouitstanding what at that whats next dont hire blacks,or women or amputeees,or midget,or hookers(if i have the $ iwould) any takers for free(female only plz)
lmfao! this bradly guy is my life.
i really did enjoy reading all his posts…
and i even more enjoy the fact that he said he wasnt posting on here anymore, then comes back and posts more nonsense.
like you actually answer peoples posts within the hour they posted.
kid, you need a life.
and for my view as someone who loves being pierced,
i dont really care if they are heavily modified or not,
but i definatley trust the more modified people more,
because it shows they are passionate about the entire scene,
and that its not just a job to them.
but, this is also coming from someone who thinks any type of piercing is a gorgeous peice of art..
as a kid, i remember going with my mom and sister to get her belly button done.
they guy doing it had full sleeves and neck tattoos, and a large septum ring in.
i can see how a lot of parents would be turned off to see someone like that, especially someone like my mom, who was born in a completely different generation and brought up a practising catholic.
but, she talked to the guy, and he was very nice, professional, and talked her and my sister thew everything.
it definatley all counts on how you sell it.
but, down in my small town in canada, more modified people work at the shops.. its just what is expected.
it shows that their shop knows what they are doing, and arent inexperienced at all.
but this is just my opinoin, and i completely respect everyone elses.
after all, we were all brought up differentley, and in different places.
🙂
lmfao! this bradly guy is my life.
i really did enjoy reading all his posts…
and i even more enjoy the fact that he said he wasnt posting on here anymore, then comes back and posts more nonsense.
like you actually answer peoples posts within the hour they posted.
kid, you need a life.
and for my view as someone who loves being pierced,
i dont really care if they are heavily modified or not,
but i definatley trust the more modified people more,
because it shows they are passionate about the entire scene,
and that its not just a job to them.
but, this is also coming from someone who thinks any type of piercing is a gorgeous peice of art..
as a kid, i remember going with my mom and sister to get her belly button done.
they guy doing it had full sleeves and neck tattoos, and a large septum ring in.
i can see how a lot of parents would be turned off to see someone like that, especially someone like my mom, who was born in a completely different generation and brought up a practising catholic.
but, she talked to the guy, and he was very nice, professional, and talked her and my sister thew everything.
it definatley all counts on how you sell it.
but, down in my small town in canada, more modified people work at the shops.. its just what is expected.
it shows that their shop knows what they are doing, and arent inexperienced at all.
but this is just my opinoin, and i completely respect everyone elses.
after all, we were all brought up differentley, and in different places.
🙂
Bradly is intelligent.
And Shawn Porter has small hands.
Bradly is intelligent.
And Shawn Porter has small hands.
(119) Shawn Porter, I never meant to sound rude…or in any way bash what you said, I was just stating my opinion, and over the years of growing up my “concept of self” has also changed many times.. and I think through out my entire life it will be forever changing. It’s just personally for me I could never want a career that I did not love to do, and I could never have a career that did not allow me to express my freedoms of self. I have always felt strongly about that, and I guess I am fortunite my career and plans allow me to not worry about “will this one day be unneceptable” But hell if I turn 37 and I’m saying why the fuck did I do this hahaha I will bow to you and forever be your slave!!!!!!!
xoxo – Danielle 🙂
(119) Shawn Porter, I never meant to sound rude…or in any way bash what you said, I was just stating my opinion, and over the years of growing up my “concept of self” has also changed many times.. and I think through out my entire life it will be forever changing. It’s just personally for me I could never want a career that I did not love to do, and I could never have a career that did not allow me to express my freedoms of self. I have always felt strongly about that, and I guess I am fortunite my career and plans allow me to not worry about “will this one day be unneceptable” But hell if I turn 37 and I’m saying why the fuck did I do this hahaha I will bow to you and forever be your slave!!!!!!!
xoxo – Danielle 🙂
All these Peter Keatings and not one Howard Roark.
All these Peter Keatings and not one Howard Roark.