DangerEric may not eat steak, but now with the help of Noelle at Divine Machine in Buffalo, NY, he wears it permanently (“it’s a vegan irony tattoo”)…
Update: Click here for another vegan steak tattoo, this time by TOPSITURBY at Freak’s Lab Body Kustom (Lyon, France).
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486 responses to “Steak on a vegan kid???”
>_< wow thats alot of stuff since I last was here lol.
Anyway.. Cere wrote :
“Shannon, I can understand and agree if your talking about eating tons of fatty meat all day long. I too think a diet of Pernil is unhealthy. But good meat as a part of a healthy balanced diet is a cornerstone of health. You have the cardiac issue you are referring to when you take a poor diet consisting of processd fatty meats.
But what I really meant by debatable is the meaning of the word health. Thats a general term that is thrown around without people realizing its not an absolute term but a subjective one. What is the standard of health? BMI? Cholesterol level? Weight? Body fat? Heart rate? Disease? Amount of physical endurance or atractiveness to the opposite sex?
All that should be considered before someone even tries the “healthy” argument. I believe a vegan diet is unhealthy. But see thats a BELIEF based off of my ideal of health.””
1)We do not require meat to live in north America, their are other ways for us to get our vitamins that are much better for the environment. 2) Vegans live longer then meat eaters FACT
3)any poor diet will kill you- isnt it irrelavet that you raise this issue? 4)Health is the complete wholeness of one all physically mentally and spiritually and anything that falls under those categories should be considered part of ones health and has no subjective value that I can see. as for the attractivness to sex, if that makes you happy it id good for you mental health therefore it is good for you aka healthy.
and finally:
I am interested in seeing why you believe that being a vegan is unhealthy, i understand it is based on your ideas of belief of health but please expand.
but im done here reading all these posts and seeing all the blaintly uneducated people (not cere, he/she knows what their talking about i think) raise ‘points’ about things they know little about is distressing…
H, I see what you mean and I’m really glad you took all those steps! IT’s ahell of a lot more than what people in general do. May I ask why it’s so important to you then that you have the occasional chicken? I think chicken are pretty cool and intelligent and I don’t think any animal deserves to be eaten wether it’s a dog, or a chicken.
Cere, a bad diet is a biad diet, however on an average meat eaters diet is worse than an average vegan’s diet. Meat contains cholesterol which a Vegan’s diet doesn’t for example.
AZSkye, Since switching to veganism, I have become a lot more aware in the issues you just mentioned and I completely agree with not over consuming, it is a terrible habit.
H, I see what you mean and I’m really glad you took all those steps! IT’s ahell of a lot more than what people in general do. May I ask why it’s so important to you then that you have the occasional chicken? I think chicken are pretty cool and intelligent and I don’t think any animal deserves to be eaten wether it’s a dog, or a chicken.
Cere, a bad diet is a biad diet, however on an average meat eaters diet is worse than an average vegan’s diet. Meat contains cholesterol which a Vegan’s diet doesn’t for example.
AZSkye, Since switching to veganism, I have become a lot more aware in the issues you just mentioned and I completely agree with not over consuming, it is a terrible habit.
H, I see what you mean and I’m really glad you took all those steps! IT’s ahell of a lot more than what people in general do. May I ask why it’s so important to you then that you have the occasional chicken? I think chicken are pretty cool and intelligent and I don’t think any animal deserves to be eaten wether it’s a dog, or a chicken.
Cere, a bad diet is a biad diet, however on an average meat eaters diet is worse than an average vegan’s diet. Meat contains cholesterol which a Vegan’s diet doesn’t for example.
AZSkye, Since switching to veganism, I have become a lot more aware in the issues you just mentioned and I completely agree with not over consuming, it is a terrible habit.
Moonchild it is not really important to me to eat chicken. I’m sure in time I would be able to drop it off my menu but at the time being I like being able to have it every once in awhile. Like I said earlier I tried being veggie and at that point I wasn’t really ready to give it up and I also didn’t really give myself time to get to a point where I wouldn’t want it. And also when I tried my family didn’t support me and would refuse to cook anything but meat. So I sorta had to take it or leave it. So I personally have chose for myself to start eating it less and less till eventually I wouldn’t want it anymore because that’s the best method for me.
Moonchild it is not really important to me to eat chicken. I’m sure in time I would be able to drop it off my menu but at the time being I like being able to have it every once in awhile. Like I said earlier I tried being veggie and at that point I wasn’t really ready to give it up and I also didn’t really give myself time to get to a point where I wouldn’t want it. And also when I tried my family didn’t support me and would refuse to cook anything but meat. So I sorta had to take it or leave it. So I personally have chose for myself to start eating it less and less till eventually I wouldn’t want it anymore because that’s the best method for me.
Moonchild it is not really important to me to eat chicken. I’m sure in time I would be able to drop it off my menu but at the time being I like being able to have it every once in awhile. Like I said earlier I tried being veggie and at that point I wasn’t really ready to give it up and I also didn’t really give myself time to get to a point where I wouldn’t want it. And also when I tried my family didn’t support me and would refuse to cook anything but meat. So I sorta had to take it or leave it. So I personally have chose for myself to start eating it less and less till eventually I wouldn’t want it anymore because that’s the best method for me.
> “Meat is meat”… hahahaha… no wonder people are getting killed by meat consumption!
Yet that was said by one of the anti-meat-eaters.
> “Meat is meat”… hahahaha… no wonder people are getting killed by meat consumption!
Yet that was said by one of the anti-meat-eaters.
> “Meat is meat”… hahahaha… no wonder people are getting killed by meat consumption!
Yet that was said by one of the anti-meat-eaters.
I personally don’t make my menu choices by thinking about what animal “deserves to be eaten” at that time.
And I DO think that the fact that I eat quite a bit of fish is a healthy diet. I have red meat, honestly, maybe once a week.
I love salmon, shark and roughie. Fish oils are beneficial to me. I feel it rounds out my diet and keeps me healthy.
I hate to break the stereotype of the average carnivore/omnivore, but while I’m preparing the fish I do not revel in it’s misery and demise.
I personally don’t make my menu choices by thinking about what animal “deserves to be eaten” at that time.
And I DO think that the fact that I eat quite a bit of fish is a healthy diet. I have red meat, honestly, maybe once a week.
I love salmon, shark and roughie. Fish oils are beneficial to me. I feel it rounds out my diet and keeps me healthy.
I hate to break the stereotype of the average carnivore/omnivore, but while I’m preparing the fish I do not revel in it’s misery and demise.
I personally don’t make my menu choices by thinking about what animal “deserves to be eaten” at that time.
And I DO think that the fact that I eat quite a bit of fish is a healthy diet. I have red meat, honestly, maybe once a week.
I love salmon, shark and roughie. Fish oils are beneficial to me. I feel it rounds out my diet and keeps me healthy.
I hate to break the stereotype of the average carnivore/omnivore, but while I’m preparing the fish I do not revel in it’s misery and demise.
H, that was the best method for me too. When I first went veggie, I went back to eating meat not much later, then I decided to do it gradually and it worked… once I got to the last meat I was consumng, which was lunch meat I simply put less and less in my sandwich it didn’t take long. I guess the most important advice anyone could have for a person making the switch is to learn how to make all the stuff you like only vegetarian… it doesnt at all have to be about giving things up, as I aid earlier it’s just a matter of beingcreative and substituting. Family isn’t always supportive at all, it get’s easier though, don’t worry. Luckily there are plenty of places on th enet where you ca get advice… for me a group on Facebook, helped me tremendously. Knowing your way and discovering all this new stuff can be very rewarding!
HereKittyKitty, do what you want but I seriously feel sorry for the fishies you are eating… also, fish may have been “healthy” at one point but they aren’t anymore. You don’t have to wonder about anything ignorance is bliss.
H, that was the best method for me too. When I first went veggie, I went back to eating meat not much later, then I decided to do it gradually and it worked… once I got to the last meat I was consumng, which was lunch meat I simply put less and less in my sandwich it didn’t take long. I guess the most important advice anyone could have for a person making the switch is to learn how to make all the stuff you like only vegetarian… it doesnt at all have to be about giving things up, as I aid earlier it’s just a matter of beingcreative and substituting. Family isn’t always supportive at all, it get’s easier though, don’t worry. Luckily there are plenty of places on th enet where you ca get advice… for me a group on Facebook, helped me tremendously. Knowing your way and discovering all this new stuff can be very rewarding!
HereKittyKitty, do what you want but I seriously feel sorry for the fishies you are eating… also, fish may have been “healthy” at one point but they aren’t anymore. You don’t have to wonder about anything ignorance is bliss.
H, that was the best method for me too. When I first went veggie, I went back to eating meat not much later, then I decided to do it gradually and it worked… once I got to the last meat I was consumng, which was lunch meat I simply put less and less in my sandwich it didn’t take long. I guess the most important advice anyone could have for a person making the switch is to learn how to make all the stuff you like only vegetarian… it doesnt at all have to be about giving things up, as I aid earlier it’s just a matter of beingcreative and substituting. Family isn’t always supportive at all, it get’s easier though, don’t worry. Luckily there are plenty of places on th enet where you ca get advice… for me a group on Facebook, helped me tremendously. Knowing your way and discovering all this new stuff can be very rewarding!
HereKittyKitty, do what you want but I seriously feel sorry for the fishies you are eating… also, fish may have been “healthy” at one point but they aren’t anymore. You don’t have to wonder about anything ignorance is bliss.
MoonChild – not to put too fine a point on it, but do you also feel sorry for salmon which get eaten by bears? How about when a lion takes down a zebra?
Everything that lives becomes food for something else, eventually. That’s how the ecosystem works.
MoonChild – not to put too fine a point on it, but do you also feel sorry for salmon which get eaten by bears? How about when a lion takes down a zebra?
Everything that lives becomes food for something else, eventually. That’s how the ecosystem works.
MoonChild – not to put too fine a point on it, but do you also feel sorry for salmon which get eaten by bears? How about when a lion takes down a zebra?
Everything that lives becomes food for something else, eventually. That’s how the ecosystem works.
Moonchild I must admit you’re quite lovely when you’re being nice haha. No offense. I am trying to get to the point where I have cut out all meat. Not the easiest thing when my brother is a meat cutter at the local sams club. See I’m not such a horrible person haha. I guess ill finally have to learn to cook haha.
Moonchild I must admit you’re quite lovely when you’re being nice haha. No offense. I am trying to get to the point where I have cut out all meat. Not the easiest thing when my brother is a meat cutter at the local sams club. See I’m not such a horrible person haha. I guess ill finally have to learn to cook haha.
Moonchild I must admit you’re quite lovely when you’re being nice haha. No offense. I am trying to get to the point where I have cut out all meat. Not the easiest thing when my brother is a meat cutter at the local sams club. See I’m not such a horrible person haha. I guess ill finally have to learn to cook haha.
Moonchild: to answer your question-you are right, meat is meat. The tattoo is meat from a cow-beef in this case, which is why I mentioned it specifically, but I rarely eat meat of any kind. Its too expensive and I am not a good enough cook. I have enough issues eating food in general-including really disliking most vegetables(and save the “you just haven’t had them prepared the right way” lectures)most of what I eat is grain based. The thing I find most lacking in education about the meat/dairy industry is subtlety. Bands like Consolidated did much more to educate me because they met me where I was, not beat me over the head, with name calling and insinuation(not saying that you have done that but there’s plenty who have on this thread alone). There’s far too much polarity in the arguments. not enough room for reality.
I’m all for having alternate viewpoints. I’m also not a fan of fundimentalism of any sort-and some of the thinking in other posts here not only verges on it, it totally crosses over into rhetoric. People have to realise that not everyone will always be able to conform to their standards, no matter how much better you think their life might be once they’re ‘enlightened’.
Moonchild: to answer your question-you are right, meat is meat. The tattoo is meat from a cow-beef in this case, which is why I mentioned it specifically, but I rarely eat meat of any kind. Its too expensive and I am not a good enough cook. I have enough issues eating food in general-including really disliking most vegetables(and save the “you just haven’t had them prepared the right way” lectures)most of what I eat is grain based. The thing I find most lacking in education about the meat/dairy industry is subtlety. Bands like Consolidated did much more to educate me because they met me where I was, not beat me over the head, with name calling and insinuation(not saying that you have done that but there’s plenty who have on this thread alone). There’s far too much polarity in the arguments. not enough room for reality.
I’m all for having alternate viewpoints. I’m also not a fan of fundimentalism of any sort-and some of the thinking in other posts here not only verges on it, it totally crosses over into rhetoric. People have to realise that not everyone will always be able to conform to their standards, no matter how much better you think their life might be once they’re ‘enlightened’.
Moonchild: to answer your question-you are right, meat is meat. The tattoo is meat from a cow-beef in this case, which is why I mentioned it specifically, but I rarely eat meat of any kind. Its too expensive and I am not a good enough cook. I have enough issues eating food in general-including really disliking most vegetables(and save the “you just haven’t had them prepared the right way” lectures)most of what I eat is grain based. The thing I find most lacking in education about the meat/dairy industry is subtlety. Bands like Consolidated did much more to educate me because they met me where I was, not beat me over the head, with name calling and insinuation(not saying that you have done that but there’s plenty who have on this thread alone). There’s far too much polarity in the arguments. not enough room for reality.
I’m all for having alternate viewpoints. I’m also not a fan of fundimentalism of any sort-and some of the thinking in other posts here not only verges on it, it totally crosses over into rhetoric. People have to realise that not everyone will always be able to conform to their standards, no matter how much better you think their life might be once they’re ‘enlightened’.
And I’m still laughing about the tattoo. Someone with a sense of humor about their veganism. I like that.
And I’m still laughing about the tattoo. Someone with a sense of humor about their veganism. I like that.
And I’m still laughing about the tattoo. Someone with a sense of humor about their veganism. I like that.
What this forum has become is funny. It’s why I got the tattoo in the first place.Vegetarians, Vegans – I do my thing, eating what I eat, not eating what I don’t want to. I can be at a dinner at a restaurant or likewise and people don’t even notice. Because I don’t make a huge deal out of it. If I was of any religion I would breath down other people’s face that wasn’t of my faith of how they should be and why. Veganism is what my body seems to like, I feel healthy, I get blood workups to see if I have defiecencies, I like it. Why do people define themselves by their diet? Just eat what you want to eat and let other people alone.
Omnivores – Everytime anyone even mentions the fact they’re vegan, you find it’s an invite to tell them that wht they are doing isn’t correct and that being omnivorous is healthier, etc. If you tell me you eat meat, I won’t start telling you all the cons of it, nor should you do the same. If I start a vegan debate, feel free to jump on in and protect your side. But if I just mention I’m vegan, it’s not an invite by any means to start a debate.
Enough said. I got a steak because you can see what kind of debates, opinions, and everything else it starts. Thanks!
What this forum has become is funny. It’s why I got the tattoo in the first place.Vegetarians, Vegans – I do my thing, eating what I eat, not eating what I don’t want to. I can be at a dinner at a restaurant or likewise and people don’t even notice. Because I don’t make a huge deal out of it. If I was of any religion I would breath down other people’s face that wasn’t of my faith of how they should be and why. Veganism is what my body seems to like, I feel healthy, I get blood workups to see if I have defiecencies, I like it. Why do people define themselves by their diet? Just eat what you want to eat and let other people alone.
Omnivores – Everytime anyone even mentions the fact they’re vegan, you find it’s an invite to tell them that wht they are doing isn’t correct and that being omnivorous is healthier, etc. If you tell me you eat meat, I won’t start telling you all the cons of it, nor should you do the same. If I start a vegan debate, feel free to jump on in and protect your side. But if I just mention I’m vegan, it’s not an invite by any means to start a debate.
Enough said. I got a steak because you can see what kind of debates, opinions, and everything else it starts. Thanks!
What this forum has become is funny. It’s why I got the tattoo in the first place.Vegetarians, Vegans – I do my thing, eating what I eat, not eating what I don’t want to. I can be at a dinner at a restaurant or likewise and people don’t even notice. Because I don’t make a huge deal out of it. If I was of any religion I would breath down other people’s face that wasn’t of my faith of how they should be and why. Veganism is what my body seems to like, I feel healthy, I get blood workups to see if I have defiecencies, I like it. Why do people define themselves by their diet? Just eat what you want to eat and let other people alone.
Omnivores – Everytime anyone even mentions the fact they’re vegan, you find it’s an invite to tell them that wht they are doing isn’t correct and that being omnivorous is healthier, etc. If you tell me you eat meat, I won’t start telling you all the cons of it, nor should you do the same. If I start a vegan debate, feel free to jump on in and protect your side. But if I just mention I’m vegan, it’s not an invite by any means to start a debate.
Enough said. I got a steak because you can see what kind of debates, opinions, and everything else it starts. Thanks!
Eric, I think that was the most intelligent post in this thread so far.
Eric, I think that was the most intelligent post in this thread so far.
Eric, I think that was the most intelligent post in this thread so far.
Thanks Cere. I find it a very large compliment too judging on the fact that you are a man of intelligence. Maybe I should start a debate on a forum of mine for it, haha. It is fun, but I do see both sides of the debate.
I think that different people have different physiologies. I have had friends go vegetarian and they’re bodies lacked energy, etc. Then other people seem to have more energy and less lag with avoiding animal products.
A good healthy diet should be based on what your body is telling you and not one thing is good for everyone.
I was lactose intolerant since a young child and never ingested too much dairy, nor did I ever seem to have a large appetite for meat. I ate it, but I didn’t seem to need it. The transition to an animal free diet felt like a natural one and it was an easy one.
Homeopathic “doctors” and dietitians know that what is good for one is not good for all and they advocate tailoring of diet based on activities, blood types, heritage, etc. and I believe that they are most dead-on.
Thanks Cere. I find it a very large compliment too judging on the fact that you are a man of intelligence. Maybe I should start a debate on a forum of mine for it, haha. It is fun, but I do see both sides of the debate.
I think that different people have different physiologies. I have had friends go vegetarian and they’re bodies lacked energy, etc. Then other people seem to have more energy and less lag with avoiding animal products.
A good healthy diet should be based on what your body is telling you and not one thing is good for everyone.
I was lactose intolerant since a young child and never ingested too much dairy, nor did I ever seem to have a large appetite for meat. I ate it, but I didn’t seem to need it. The transition to an animal free diet felt like a natural one and it was an easy one.
Homeopathic “doctors” and dietitians know that what is good for one is not good for all and they advocate tailoring of diet based on activities, blood types, heritage, etc. and I believe that they are most dead-on.
Thanks Cere. I find it a very large compliment too judging on the fact that you are a man of intelligence. Maybe I should start a debate on a forum of mine for it, haha. It is fun, but I do see both sides of the debate.
I think that different people have different physiologies. I have had friends go vegetarian and they’re bodies lacked energy, etc. Then other people seem to have more energy and less lag with avoiding animal products.
A good healthy diet should be based on what your body is telling you and not one thing is good for everyone.
I was lactose intolerant since a young child and never ingested too much dairy, nor did I ever seem to have a large appetite for meat. I ate it, but I didn’t seem to need it. The transition to an animal free diet felt like a natural one and it was an easy one.
Homeopathic “doctors” and dietitians know that what is good for one is not good for all and they advocate tailoring of diet based on activities, blood types, heritage, etc. and I believe that they are most dead-on.
xaonon, actually I do feel sorry for them, just because someoen can and will eat them doesn’t mean their life is worthless to begin with. However I’m not going to argue with lions for example because they truly do depend on meat, unlike humans. When a lion devlops technology for him to fortify food with the taurine and so on that he needs from animals I’ll argue with them too. Furthermore. humans can make the educated decision not to eat meet for ethical, health, and global issues while lions can’t. You are hurting an animal intentionally for the pleasure of your tastebuds while a lion does it for survival.
xaonon, actually I do feel sorry for them, just because someoen can and will eat them doesn’t mean their life is worthless to begin with. However I’m not going to argue with lions for example because they truly do depend on meat, unlike humans. When a lion devlops technology for him to fortify food with the taurine and so on that he needs from animals I’ll argue with them too. Furthermore. humans can make the educated decision not to eat meet for ethical, health, and global issues while lions can’t. You are hurting an animal intentionally for the pleasure of your tastebuds while a lion does it for survival.
xaonon, actually I do feel sorry for them, just because someoen can and will eat them doesn’t mean their life is worthless to begin with. However I’m not going to argue with lions for example because they truly do depend on meat, unlike humans. When a lion devlops technology for him to fortify food with the taurine and so on that he needs from animals I’ll argue with them too. Furthermore. humans can make the educated decision not to eat meet for ethical, health, and global issues while lions can’t. You are hurting an animal intentionally for the pleasure of your tastebuds while a lion does it for survival.
H, hehe thanks, I’m not always mean, it’s just that I really love animals and it hurts me to see them exploited hurt and killed for nothing, that’s all. Yea, learning how to cook and knowing the options that you have at restaurants for example makes it MUCH easier. It takes a little reserach and trial and error at first but it gets easy I promise.
H, hehe thanks, I’m not always mean, it’s just that I really love animals and it hurts me to see them exploited hurt and killed for nothing, that’s all. Yea, learning how to cook and knowing the options that you have at restaurants for example makes it MUCH easier. It takes a little reserach and trial and error at first but it gets easy I promise.
H, hehe thanks, I’m not always mean, it’s just that I really love animals and it hurts me to see them exploited hurt and killed for nothing, that’s all. Yea, learning how to cook and knowing the options that you have at restaurants for example makes it MUCH easier. It takes a little reserach and trial and error at first but it gets easy I promise.
Starspring, that’s pretty cool, I’m glad you don’t eat too much meat. I’m not going to give you a lectur on vegetables, but I have to admit that I didn’t like them either, infact I practically only ate potatoes and a couple of other vegetables before… so I know what you mean. However about preparing them right, what they only really mean by that is if you prepare them similarly to what you’d expect from a meat dish for example it can make all the difference, Till this day I’d have trouble eating a dish if I were to view it all as a vegetable dish… I have to make one area seem like the main part of my dish, so I make “meatballs” breaded and fried stuff, stir fries and what not to go along wit my side dish, that way I don’t feel like I’m only eating vegetables. So I guess wether we liek it or not, preparing dishes and knoiwng your option and especially being creatvie in the kitchen does make a difference.
Starspring, that’s pretty cool, I’m glad you don’t eat too much meat. I’m not going to give you a lectur on vegetables, but I have to admit that I didn’t like them either, infact I practically only ate potatoes and a couple of other vegetables before… so I know what you mean. However about preparing them right, what they only really mean by that is if you prepare them similarly to what you’d expect from a meat dish for example it can make all the difference, Till this day I’d have trouble eating a dish if I were to view it all as a vegetable dish… I have to make one area seem like the main part of my dish, so I make “meatballs” breaded and fried stuff, stir fries and what not to go along wit my side dish, that way I don’t feel like I’m only eating vegetables. So I guess wether we liek it or not, preparing dishes and knoiwng your option and especially being creatvie in the kitchen does make a difference.
Starspring, that’s pretty cool, I’m glad you don’t eat too much meat. I’m not going to give you a lectur on vegetables, but I have to admit that I didn’t like them either, infact I practically only ate potatoes and a couple of other vegetables before… so I know what you mean. However about preparing them right, what they only really mean by that is if you prepare them similarly to what you’d expect from a meat dish for example it can make all the difference, Till this day I’d have trouble eating a dish if I were to view it all as a vegetable dish… I have to make one area seem like the main part of my dish, so I make “meatballs” breaded and fried stuff, stir fries and what not to go along wit my side dish, that way I don’t feel like I’m only eating vegetables. So I guess wether we liek it or not, preparing dishes and knoiwng your option and especially being creatvie in the kitchen does make a difference.
Starspring, the other hal of my message got cut off so here it is again:
There are people that make an awesome songs, shows, lectures or friendly conversation about veganism/vegetarianism, however a lot of times it’s hard to find that perfect tone, or perfect opportunity to say something. Most times people just don’t want to hear it in any context at all. Telling someone you are vegan if asked is enought to get them to tell you how wrong you are, so you can imagine how often we come across this in the first place. I wish we coudl all give you facts but see, there are too many of them and most meat eaters think that none of it is factual to begin with that’s how all these debates start.
You are right not everyone is open for whatever sort of enlightenment you are offering, I know that, and there is not much I can do about it besides having that frsutrate me. I’m not doing this for myself, or some god or some kind of organisation, I’m doing this so that people could possibly be a little more aware of what they are doing to the billions of animals killed each year for them. I don’t like praching about anything, however if nobody stands up for the animals nothing wll ever change, this is not about my personal preference this is about the lives of others.
Starspring, the other hal of my message got cut off so here it is again:
There are people that make an awesome songs, shows, lectures or friendly conversation about veganism/vegetarianism, however a lot of times it’s hard to find that perfect tone, or perfect opportunity to say something. Most times people just don’t want to hear it in any context at all. Telling someone you are vegan if asked is enought to get them to tell you how wrong you are, so you can imagine how often we come across this in the first place. I wish we coudl all give you facts but see, there are too many of them and most meat eaters think that none of it is factual to begin with that’s how all these debates start.
You are right not everyone is open for whatever sort of enlightenment you are offering, I know that, and there is not much I can do about it besides having that frsutrate me. I’m not doing this for myself, or some god or some kind of organisation, I’m doing this so that people could possibly be a little more aware of what they are doing to the billions of animals killed each year for them. I don’t like praching about anything, however if nobody stands up for the animals nothing wll ever change, this is not about my personal preference this is about the lives of others.
Starspring, the other hal of my message got cut off so here it is again:
There are people that make an awesome songs, shows, lectures or friendly conversation about veganism/vegetarianism, however a lot of times it’s hard to find that perfect tone, or perfect opportunity to say something. Most times people just don’t want to hear it in any context at all. Telling someone you are vegan if asked is enought to get them to tell you how wrong you are, so you can imagine how often we come across this in the first place. I wish we coudl all give you facts but see, there are too many of them and most meat eaters think that none of it is factual to begin with that’s how all these debates start.
You are right not everyone is open for whatever sort of enlightenment you are offering, I know that, and there is not much I can do about it besides having that frsutrate me. I’m not doing this for myself, or some god or some kind of organisation, I’m doing this so that people could possibly be a little more aware of what they are doing to the billions of animals killed each year for them. I don’t like praching about anything, however if nobody stands up for the animals nothing wll ever change, this is not about my personal preference this is about the lives of others.
Eric, when I go out to a restaurant I try not making a big deal of it eaither, I simply know my shit and know what not to order and that’s about it, other than that I gladly eat without telling everyone that what’s on their plate is just sick, even though I may feel that way. To me it’s not about defining myself by what I eat, I just don’t like the idea that so many animals are killed each year and taken for granted. I’m all for animal rights actually, so it’s not just about being vegan for me. I geuss that’s where people get confused, some vegans do it for health some do it for animals, but a lot of times it goes shand in hand with other causes, so it’s definitely not just about food.
What you said to the omnivores is true though.