So I was at the grocery store and my daughter and I were looking at all the various bits of animals they had — pig’s feet, pig’s tails, and then, when we picked up a pig’s ear, I saw it had been tattooed… Anyway, tomorrow is a busy day so I’m not sure exactly when I’ll be able to squeeze in posts, but I’ve got some great stuff lined up, and the other good news is that later this week we’ll be posting a full interview with Zombie (aka Skullboy)!
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316 responses to “As if getting killed and eaten wasn’t bad enough!”
Seriously, to all Vegans/Animal rights activists having a wobbly over thid entry – cry me a river.
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Seriously, to all Vegans/Animal rights activists having a wobbly over thid entry – cry me a river.
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I know this is way way down the thread, but I have to semi-disagree with Caspar’s comment (#83) about England moving much towards free range and organic meat production and it taking over from intensive.
Whilst this is the case for a certain ‘green’ few (whether they be well off or not) most people, both affluent and non-affluent buy majority battery/intensive meat, eggs and dairy (this isn’t even taking into account products that contain animal products like mayonnaise, meringues, cakes etc).
People prioritise wrongly, spending more on cars and clothes than on their food.
I really don’t see Britain moving towards free-range in any great numbers. Sure, after the Jamie Oliver and Hugh-Fearnley Whittingstall more people did buy free range chickens, but this quickly drops after a few weeks. Out of sight, out of mind.
I know this is way way down the thread, but I have to semi-disagree with Caspar’s comment (#83) about England moving much towards free range and organic meat production and it taking over from intensive.
Whilst this is the case for a certain ‘green’ few (whether they be well off or not) most people, both affluent and non-affluent buy majority battery/intensive meat, eggs and dairy (this isn’t even taking into account products that contain animal products like mayonnaise, meringues, cakes etc).
People prioritise wrongly, spending more on cars and clothes than on their food.
I really don’t see Britain moving towards free-range in any great numbers. Sure, after the Jamie Oliver and Hugh-Fearnley Whittingstall more people did buy free range chickens, but this quickly drops after a few weeks. Out of sight, out of mind.
So where do you veg Nazis stand on pescetarians?
So where do you veg Nazis stand on pescetarians?
presbyterians bore me
presbyterians bore me
Moe – And as I’ve said before, I do not expect everyone to go veg, that’s unrealistic. But that doesn’t mean that it can’t be something that I would prefer, and that in no way makes me a fascist, and to accuse me of such is fairly ridiculous.
I’m a passionate person and I will always stand up for what I believe in, but I don’t feel that my post was an attempt to force my beliefs down anyones throat whatsoever. I never make a comment to someone eating eating meat unless they know me as a person and understand my lame sense of humor.
Moe – And as I’ve said before, I do not expect everyone to go veg, that’s unrealistic. But that doesn’t mean that it can’t be something that I would prefer, and that in no way makes me a fascist, and to accuse me of such is fairly ridiculous.
I’m a passionate person and I will always stand up for what I believe in, but I don’t feel that my post was an attempt to force my beliefs down anyones throat whatsoever. I never make a comment to someone eating eating meat unless they know me as a person and understand my lame sense of humor.
*****So where do you veg Nazis stand on pescetarians?
Kendra on March 19th, 2008 at 8:14 am *****
Joe Pesce TOTALLY cracks me up!….i didn’t know he had his own church though…? I bet he is doing it for the fuckin’ tax write offs huh?
SpeedoApe
*****So where do you veg Nazis stand on pescetarians?
Kendra on March 19th, 2008 at 8:14 am *****
Joe Pesce TOTALLY cracks me up!….i didn’t know he had his own church though…? I bet he is doing it for the fuckin’ tax write offs huh?
SpeedoApe
TBH, all veggies and vegans are fucking murderous scum cunts who should convert or die.
– fruitarian
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TBH, all veggies and vegans are fucking murderous scum cunts who should convert or die.
– fruitarian
😉
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In response to Lene’s “@ emily: Of course it´s a difference whether you take the car or the bus for example… You are criticizing people who at least try their best not to waste energy/pollute the environment etc… That´s so cool!”
You completely did not understand what I said to you at all. I have NOTHING against vegans/vegetarians nor did I say anything bad about them. The ONLY person I was criticizing was you. Don’t get up on a soap box unless you have ALL your ducks in a row.
In response to Lene’s “@ emily: Of course it´s a difference whether you take the car or the bus for example… You are criticizing people who at least try their best not to waste energy/pollute the environment etc… That´s so cool!”
You completely did not understand what I said to you at all. I have NOTHING against vegans/vegetarians nor did I say anything bad about them. The ONLY person I was criticizing was you. Don’t get up on a soap box unless you have ALL your ducks in a row.
A very good point, Emily. Duck is delicious too.
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A very good point, Emily. Duck is delicious too.
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gawd people are bloody self righteous.
you eat veg fine – good for you
you eat meat – fine good for you
worry about your self not what others are eating.
My best friend is a vegetarian and I on the other hand refuse to eat true vegies (leafy green things, fruits and grains are fine).
we tease each other all the time, but we both respect each others choices!
I am a zoologist, and my research has direct conservation impacts on animals, why because i love and respect animals. I still eat them though, in fact i have eaten ones that most people would never dream of eating (seriously roast hippo is amazing). It isnt some kind of cruel thing, in fact as part of the natural order i find a deeper respect for the things that have provided me with sustenance.
From a spiritual point of view (eating things with faces, souls, babies etc) there are several cultures out there that believe everything has a spirit or soul, if you will, so unless they have ways of living of absolutely nothing i think the not eating things with souls argument is moot.
And before militant vegos jump down my throat, read what i say next.
All plants produce compounds, found in the VEGETABLE part of the plants (leafs and stems), that are toxic – this is a form of self defense against being eaten. Thats why some plants would kill us if we ate them. Most people understand that, but most don’t realize that several of those compounds are still present in crop vegetables, just in a much lower level. (you could argue thats proof the plant doesn’t want those parts eaten). A particularly common one is Calcium Oxalate, very nasty in large quantities.
My point is that some people, like myself, are highly sensitive to these toxins and will get violently sick from even eating a little bit.
So some of us can’t eat vegetables even if we wanted to, please think of that next time you want to get preachy that thats the only “right” way to exist.
gawd people are bloody self righteous.
you eat veg fine – good for you
you eat meat – fine good for you
worry about your self not what others are eating.
My best friend is a vegetarian and I on the other hand refuse to eat true vegies (leafy green things, fruits and grains are fine).
we tease each other all the time, but we both respect each others choices!
I am a zoologist, and my research has direct conservation impacts on animals, why because i love and respect animals. I still eat them though, in fact i have eaten ones that most people would never dream of eating (seriously roast hippo is amazing). It isnt some kind of cruel thing, in fact as part of the natural order i find a deeper respect for the things that have provided me with sustenance.
From a spiritual point of view (eating things with faces, souls, babies etc) there are several cultures out there that believe everything has a spirit or soul, if you will, so unless they have ways of living of absolutely nothing i think the not eating things with souls argument is moot.
And before militant vegos jump down my throat, read what i say next.
All plants produce compounds, found in the VEGETABLE part of the plants (leafs and stems), that are toxic – this is a form of self defense against being eaten. Thats why some plants would kill us if we ate them. Most people understand that, but most don’t realize that several of those compounds are still present in crop vegetables, just in a much lower level. (you could argue thats proof the plant doesn’t want those parts eaten). A particularly common one is Calcium Oxalate, very nasty in large quantities.
My point is that some people, like myself, are highly sensitive to these toxins and will get violently sick from even eating a little bit.
So some of us can’t eat vegetables even if we wanted to, please think of that next time you want to get preachy that thats the only “right” way to exist.
Great…Now I want to try hippo.
The ‘worst’ (insofar as ‘most unexpected’) things I have eaten have to be whale, dog, cat and puffin. I’ll try any meat!
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Great…Now I want to try hippo.
The ‘worst’ (insofar as ‘most unexpected’) things I have eaten have to be whale, dog, cat and puffin. I’ll try any meat!
*n
I think there’s a slight difference between society using animal products and mass murder. Mostly it’s the piles of dead humans in the street. Slight difference…
Sometimes it’s not always about profit, sometimes an animal product is the best choice. For example, magnetic audio tape used to use boiled whale bones for the adhesive used to hold it together. 60 years later, those tapes are still in amazing condition. Tape made with a different adhesive in the 80s was a disaster, it would get all sticky and tons of precious masters have been ruined. I’m not sure what’s being used now, but it’s hard to tell how long it’s going to last…
I think there’s a slight difference between society using animal products and mass murder. Mostly it’s the piles of dead humans in the street. Slight difference…
Sometimes it’s not always about profit, sometimes an animal product is the best choice. For example, magnetic audio tape used to use boiled whale bones for the adhesive used to hold it together. 60 years later, those tapes are still in amazing condition. Tape made with a different adhesive in the 80s was a disaster, it would get all sticky and tons of precious masters have been ruined. I’m not sure what’s being used now, but it’s hard to tell how long it’s going to last…
There are some vegetarians that want their pets to follow them in a vegetarian diet. Cats eat meat, including cute little mice and birds. You open a can of catfood or serve kibble…it’s got animal in it.
So as a strict vegetarian I’m assuming keeping a cat as a companion would be out?
(And a snake, surely.)
There are some vegetarians that want their pets to follow them in a vegetarian diet. Cats eat meat, including cute little mice and birds. You open a can of catfood or serve kibble…it’s got animal in it.
So as a strict vegetarian I’m assuming keeping a cat as a companion would be out?
(And a snake, surely.)
Joe, Are you saying that I should be ok with animals being killed so you can have good quality tape? Don’t get me wrong I love music but I believe in fiding an alternative too. I bet soap made out of Jewish people were great too, but hell, I wouldn’t want to use that either. There is always analternative. I think the difference is just the point of view which you are looking at it, Piles of animal flesh and piles of human flesh are both piles of flesh at the end of the day.
herekittykitty, my personal view on this topic varies (a lot of people debate about ths even as vegans) but there are strict vegetarian alternatives for cats and dogs as well. Wethere we consider that natural or unnatural is a diferent story, especially when it comes to cats but I assure you there are commercial pet foods avaiable for them, that have addatives like Taurine and other important things that cats need. One thing to think about is this though the stuff that is in normal pet food isn’t exacty natural or healthy for them either, infact some of them are damn right horrible.
I personally won’t have a carnivore living with me simply because I’m perfectly happy with my beloved herbivore companions.
Joe, Are you saying that I should be ok with animals being killed so you can have good quality tape? Don’t get me wrong I love music but I believe in fiding an alternative too. I bet soap made out of Jewish people were great too, but hell, I wouldn’t want to use that either. There is always analternative. I think the difference is just the point of view which you are looking at it, Piles of animal flesh and piles of human flesh are both piles of flesh at the end of the day.
herekittykitty, my personal view on this topic varies (a lot of people debate about ths even as vegans) but there are strict vegetarian alternatives for cats and dogs as well. Wethere we consider that natural or unnatural is a diferent story, especially when it comes to cats but I assure you there are commercial pet foods avaiable for them, that have addatives like Taurine and other important things that cats need. One thing to think about is this though the stuff that is in normal pet food isn’t exacty natural or healthy for them either, infact some of them are damn right horrible.
I personally won’t have a carnivore living with me simply because I’m perfectly happy with my beloved herbivore companions.
@ emily: ok, maybe i didn´t understand (my english is not very good, and I also don´t get the last sentence of your last comment…) But I thought you said that people who are not 100 percent perfect don´t have the right to criticise others who don´t even try to do anything at all…
It´s funny how people here complain about “all these selfrighteous, militant vegs”… There are about 120 “pro-meat” comments here, most of them mindless and aggressive against veggies…and just a few from people who try to defend their decision not to eat it against false allegations… So, please, stop crying!!!
@ emily: ok, maybe i didn´t understand (my english is not very good, and I also don´t get the last sentence of your last comment…) But I thought you said that people who are not 100 percent perfect don´t have the right to criticise others who don´t even try to do anything at all…
It´s funny how people here complain about “all these selfrighteous, militant vegs”… There are about 120 “pro-meat” comments here, most of them mindless and aggressive against veggies…and just a few from people who try to defend their decision not to eat it against false allegations… So, please, stop crying!!!
Leme that was my point earlier too. We have to face cruelty to animals on a daily basis because living in a meat eating society and if ever open our mouth about the issues involved for them to get what they eat, we get enraged meat eaters.
I tjhink hey feel like they have a right to do that because they are a majority and we are debatadely omnivores, but ethically speaking if we know we can do just as well on a plant based diet and be much more compassionate to animals it’s just plain cruel to keep on doing that for selfish reasons like “it tastes good” Great billions of animals each year because they taste good and another who nows how many because because people don’t give a shit. Factory farming is worse than I could possible wish for the most horrible person, why then do they think it’s ok to have animals in those conditions?
“The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made for humans any more than black people were made for white, or women created for men.” ~Alice Walker
Leme that was my point earlier too. We have to face cruelty to animals on a daily basis because living in a meat eating society and if ever open our mouth about the issues involved for them to get what they eat, we get enraged meat eaters.
I tjhink hey feel like they have a right to do that because they are a majority and we are debatadely omnivores, but ethically speaking if we know we can do just as well on a plant based diet and be much more compassionate to animals it’s just plain cruel to keep on doing that for selfish reasons like “it tastes good” Great billions of animals each year because they taste good and another who nows how many because because people don’t give a shit. Factory farming is worse than I could possible wish for the most horrible person, why then do they think it’s ok to have animals in those conditions?
“The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made for humans any more than black people were made for white, or women created for men.” ~Alice Walker
This argument is as old as time. We are biologically geared to be omnivores. Whatever anyone chooses to eat is their own preference. Yes, the meat-raising industry is deplorable, but what about the bush meat poaching that is going on in Africa and elsewhere? What about sharks being caught just for their fins for soup? What about this nonsense about tiger parts and rhino horn being aphrodisiacs? Quite frankly, meat processing at least is not killing animals that are endangered or for a stupid reason that I just mentioned. The pig ear in that pic was just coincidence. I’ve seen them in the market also from time to time. By the way, I’m a vegan by choice, and have been since childhood. I just didn’t like the taste of meat.
This argument is as old as time. We are biologically geared to be omnivores. Whatever anyone chooses to eat is their own preference. Yes, the meat-raising industry is deplorable, but what about the bush meat poaching that is going on in Africa and elsewhere? What about sharks being caught just for their fins for soup? What about this nonsense about tiger parts and rhino horn being aphrodisiacs? Quite frankly, meat processing at least is not killing animals that are endangered or for a stupid reason that I just mentioned. The pig ear in that pic was just coincidence. I’ve seen them in the market also from time to time. By the way, I’m a vegan by choice, and have been since childhood. I just didn’t like the taste of meat.
Or what about the slaghter of horses? I am also a horse owner, and to me, rounding up mustangs or buying auction horses for meat is sickening. Sometimes horses are stolen to be taken to auction for sale as “killers”. This meat is exported to places like Europe and Japan as a delicacy. This is far worse than butchering cattle or hogs or chickens. At least butchering is done very quickly.
Or what about the slaghter of horses? I am also a horse owner, and to me, rounding up mustangs or buying auction horses for meat is sickening. Sometimes horses are stolen to be taken to auction for sale as “killers”. This meat is exported to places like Europe and Japan as a delicacy. This is far worse than butchering cattle or hogs or chickens. At least butchering is done very quickly.
OOPS!!! I meant “slaughter”.
OOPS!!! I meant “slaughter”.
What about all the animals that are killed in the combines to harvest all the veggies you need to eat? Why don’t you hate all vegetarians that don’t pick their own vegetables? At least the pig was killed on purpose with a reason behind it’s death.
What about all the animals that are killed in the combines to harvest all the veggies you need to eat? Why don’t you hate all vegetarians that don’t pick their own vegetables? At least the pig was killed on purpose with a reason behind it’s death.
Check this out:http://web.archive.org/web/20041107084521/http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html
(sorry, I am a techno idiot and don’t know how to link properly)
Check this out:http://web.archive.org/web/20041107084521/http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html
(sorry, I am a techno idiot and don’t know how to link properly)
dear Cucuy, again, the amount of vegetables/crop/soy used for fodder is about ten times higher than this grown for direct consumption…
Interesting:
http://www.virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/A0701E00.pdf
or
http://www.virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/A0701E00.htm#sum
source: UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO)
dear Cucuy, again, the amount of vegetables/crop/soy used for fodder is about ten times higher than this grown for direct consumption…
Interesting:
http://www.virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/A0701E00.pdf
or
http://www.virtualcentre.org/en/library/key_pub/longshad/A0701E00.htm#sum
source: UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO)
Yes, but I’m not the one that has a problem with dying animals. You talk about prevention of suffering, but you aren’t doing all you can to stop it. You could be planting your own crops. Where do you draw the line at acceptable animal loss? Or is it only cool to stop animal suffering as long as it isn’t too inconvenient?
Yes, but I’m not the one that has a problem with dying animals. You talk about prevention of suffering, but you aren’t doing all you can to stop it. You could be planting your own crops. Where do you draw the line at acceptable animal loss? Or is it only cool to stop animal suffering as long as it isn’t too inconvenient?
Cucuy, Lene already pointed the facts out to you. I do understand what you are saying though, we could go on to be frugivores and we could do other things as well. I don’t think being a vegan in the meat eating world s too convenient either but you are right, most of us do draw the line somewhere.
What most of agree on though is we do our best to reduce suffering. I personally started doing a lot more about other areas like animal testing, our planet and so on since I became vegan. I just wish everyone would care a little more thats all.
Cucuy, Lene already pointed the facts out to you. I do understand what you are saying though, we could go on to be frugivores and we could do other things as well. I don’t think being a vegan in the meat eating world s too convenient either but you are right, most of us do draw the line somewhere.
What most of agree on though is we do our best to reduce suffering. I personally started doing a lot more about other areas like animal testing, our planet and so on since I became vegan. I just wish everyone would care a little more thats all.