I’ve posted Mandy (iam:kitten, cut by Dave) a few times before, but the reason I’m posting her today is that I saw a rather disconcertingly similar piece recently — which I should mention that the wearer insists was planned separately. It’s a really pretty design, so I suppose it’s no surprise that it would be duplicated eventually, but independent of debates about “plagiarism” versus “inspiration” versus “great minds think alike”, I like them both and hope that people are able to walk away without hard feelings on either side.
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174 responses to “Scars by Dave Gillstrap”
This is silly. No one owns the right to cherry blossums or a particular part of the body. Make sense people. There are easy to spt differences if you are observant. Maybe because scarification is a newer art form here people think they can lay claim to a design but it doesn’t work that way. Especially a design as simple as this. I have spider web scars on my legs. I have seen others with this. Need we track down who was first and battle it out?
This is silly. No one owns the right to cherry blossums or a particular part of the body. Make sense people. There are easy to spt differences if you are observant. Maybe because scarification is a newer art form here people think they can lay claim to a design but it doesn’t work that way. Especially a design as simple as this. I have spider web scars on my legs. I have seen others with this. Need we track down who was first and battle it out?
I don’t think they’re really that similar. I don’t know, personally if someone saw a tattoo or something that I had and maybe got/had one of similar subject matter, and even placement, I wouldn’t really care that much unless it was exactly to the tee the same. Especially if they don’t live near me haha!
I don’t think they’re really that similar. I don’t know, personally if someone saw a tattoo or something that I had and maybe got/had one of similar subject matter, and even placement, I wouldn’t really care that much unless it was exactly to the tee the same. Especially if they don’t live near me haha!
After looking at both peoples scars.. I have to say they look similar but NOT the same at all.
After looking at both peoples scars.. I have to say they look similar but NOT the same at all.
While I agree that in certain situations similar designs will pop-up, this was too unique a piece to have two people in different parts of the country dream it up around similar times. Mandy’s piece goes from the rib cage to the leg and while it’s true that nae’s doesn’t do the same thing, what does it matter? Same flowers, same falling off petals, same general locale, come on? Do we really even have to sit here and think about whether or not it was the same planned design? And if this design IS something she planned for so long and was so personal to her, knowing the reaction, she should have kept it off IAM. I have mods that are personal to me that don’t copy ANYONE and I keep them off IAM simply because they’re part of my private life.
She did what she did and regardless of whether or not it was a planned steal or a “coincidence,” posting it publicly when she had full knowledge it would hurt people was pretty cruel in itself.
I feel sorry for Mandy, who now feels she has to hide her mods on IAM and I feel even sorrier for Dave who did something so original and something so beautiful and is now going to have to content with the age old question: Which came first?
While I agree that in certain situations similar designs will pop-up, this was too unique a piece to have two people in different parts of the country dream it up around similar times. Mandy’s piece goes from the rib cage to the leg and while it’s true that nae’s doesn’t do the same thing, what does it matter? Same flowers, same falling off petals, same general locale, come on? Do we really even have to sit here and think about whether or not it was the same planned design? And if this design IS something she planned for so long and was so personal to her, knowing the reaction, she should have kept it off IAM. I have mods that are personal to me that don’t copy ANYONE and I keep them off IAM simply because they’re part of my private life.
She did what she did and regardless of whether or not it was a planned steal or a “coincidence,” posting it publicly when she had full knowledge it would hurt people was pretty cruel in itself.
I feel sorry for Mandy, who now feels she has to hide her mods on IAM and I feel even sorrier for Dave who did something so original and something so beautiful and is now going to have to content with the age old question: Which came first?
If it was copied, that sucks, but it’s a really common motif. I’ve seen that kind of flower drawn just like that a million times, come on.
If it was copied, that sucks, but it’s a really common motif. I’ve seen that kind of flower drawn just like that a million times, come on.
Amen #23 and #25.
Amen #23 and #25.
Wow I think I’m in love 🙂
Wow I think I’m in love 🙂
It kills me that the same community of people who a couple short weeks ago were giving Nae props for her nipple tattoos are now making her feel like dirt.
The cherry blossom motif is not a singular original motif, whether it be drawn, tattooed or scared. Dave Gillstraps cuttings on Kitten are beautiful, but in no way an original design.
If you people want to bash on nae for copying the placement, then you didn’t read the part where she said it was an incomplete piece. Not only does her piece not go down her leg like Kittens, but she said she would be doing the other side once this one is healed. And for you continuing turds who said she should have waited to post pictures once she was all done.. um, people are ALWAYS posting pictures of their pieces in progress to track themselves. There are plenty pictures on IAM and BME of half finished pieces, so why are you making nae feel like crap for posting her half finished piece?
People like myself and countless others I’m sure, joined the IAM community to feel like they belonged somewhere. This was supposed to be a safe haven from the people and ideas in the world who did not approve of what we do to our bodies. To see you people bash on someone for getting a similar motif to someone else is absurd. This isn’t a case of Amina Munster syndrome.
They’re cherry blossoms, a design that has been around for centuries and was not custom designed by anyone for anyone. Get the fuck over yourselves.
It kills me that the same community of people who a couple short weeks ago were giving Nae props for her nipple tattoos are now making her feel like dirt.
The cherry blossom motif is not a singular original motif, whether it be drawn, tattooed or scared. Dave Gillstraps cuttings on Kitten are beautiful, but in no way an original design.
If you people want to bash on nae for copying the placement, then you didn’t read the part where she said it was an incomplete piece. Not only does her piece not go down her leg like Kittens, but she said she would be doing the other side once this one is healed. And for you continuing turds who said she should have waited to post pictures once she was all done.. um, people are ALWAYS posting pictures of their pieces in progress to track themselves. There are plenty pictures on IAM and BME of half finished pieces, so why are you making nae feel like crap for posting her half finished piece?
People like myself and countless others I’m sure, joined the IAM community to feel like they belonged somewhere. This was supposed to be a safe haven from the people and ideas in the world who did not approve of what we do to our bodies. To see you people bash on someone for getting a similar motif to someone else is absurd. This isn’t a case of Amina Munster syndrome.
They’re cherry blossoms, a design that has been around for centuries and was not custom designed by anyone for anyone. Get the fuck over yourselves.
I must state the obvious.
Mandy is MUCH hotter than that other girl.
Much much much much hotter.
🙂
I must state the obvious.
Mandy is MUCH hotter than that other girl.
Much much much much hotter.
🙂
This is absolutely ridiculous. My goodness, she has cherry blossoms scarred onto her side. I have a cluster of stars tattooed on my back, should I go beat down every single other person on the planet who has stars tattooed on their back? If any of you people would look at the two pictures side by side, you would see that they are vastly different. From the size and design, shape and placement; they are different. Yes, the placement is different. Stop jumping all over this poor girl just because YOU think she did something wrong. I see shit every single day that I don’t agree with, should I make that person feel like shit just because of MY OPINION?! This community is supposed to be a SUPPORTIVE environment for people who choose to modify their bodies. It still gets me that there are people here who feel so comfortable attacking each other from within. We are stronger when we stand together, people.
This is absolutely ridiculous. My goodness, she has cherry blossoms scarred onto her side. I have a cluster of stars tattooed on my back, should I go beat down every single other person on the planet who has stars tattooed on their back? If any of you people would look at the two pictures side by side, you would see that they are vastly different. From the size and design, shape and placement; they are different. Yes, the placement is different. Stop jumping all over this poor girl just because YOU think she did something wrong. I see shit every single day that I don’t agree with, should I make that person feel like shit just because of MY OPINION?! This community is supposed to be a SUPPORTIVE environment for people who choose to modify their bodies. It still gets me that there are people here who feel so comfortable attacking each other from within. We are stronger when we stand together, people.
I tend to agree with Amber.
I tend to agree with Amber.
#34- I think that Nae is fucking beautiful. 🙂
I agree with anyone who didn’t go on a ego trip and bash her. If cherry blossoms were an original idea, this would be different. But, they aren’t, so…get over it. Don’t make someone feel like shit who doesn’t deserve to.
#34- I think that Nae is fucking beautiful. 🙂
I agree with anyone who didn’t go on a ego trip and bash her. If cherry blossoms were an original idea, this would be different. But, they aren’t, so…get over it. Don’t make someone feel like shit who doesn’t deserve to.
They’re both distinctly beautiful.
They’re both distinctly beautiful.
Cherry blossoms are not an original idea. It’s not a customized piece. It’s not like she copied a cherry blossom that had a skull in the center with cum dripping off the petals. Because then I would understand all the bitching. This is a common design. Get over yourselves. If you don’t want to take the chance of having your work copied. Don’t post pictures of your mods. It’s that simple.
And way to go Ali…We obviously needed to turn this into a who’s hotter than who contest. So mature.
Cherry blossoms are not an original idea. It’s not a customized piece. It’s not like she copied a cherry blossom that had a skull in the center with cum dripping off the petals. Because then I would understand all the bitching. This is a common design. Get over yourselves. If you don’t want to take the chance of having your work copied. Don’t post pictures of your mods. It’s that simple.
And way to go Ali…We obviously needed to turn this into a who’s hotter than who contest. So mature.
Wow, I am really shocked at all the negativity. First of all I have no idea (nor does anyone else I suspect) what nae’s plans/intentions are/were. I don’t know nae so my next comments are not said with any assumption that she is copying anything.
In general though…what ever happened to imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? If I see a tattoo that I love does that me I can never have it? Does this also apply to piercings? If you’re worried about respect in the “community”…certainly the “community” knows who was first.
If I came up with something so cool that people wanted to copy it I would be proud. I would reflect on my thought process as I designed it, my expectations of how cool it was going to look and my joy at seeing it upon completion. People copying it would simply be an affirmation that I was right…it is cool.
If you design something that you love and are proud of…how does someone copying it diminish its meaning and beauty? Do people really sit around thinking “I can’t believe someone copied my piercing/tattoo/scar?” From my perspective it sounds very petty…very, very petty. Be happy with what you created because you know you are the creator.
Anything less sounds like a snobby community not an open-minded sharing one…
Wow, I am really shocked at all the negativity. First of all I have no idea (nor does anyone else I suspect) what nae’s plans/intentions are/were. I don’t know nae so my next comments are not said with any assumption that she is copying anything.
In general though…what ever happened to imitation is the sincerest form of flattery? If I see a tattoo that I love does that me I can never have it? Does this also apply to piercings? If you’re worried about respect in the “community”…certainly the “community” knows who was first.
If I came up with something so cool that people wanted to copy it I would be proud. I would reflect on my thought process as I designed it, my expectations of how cool it was going to look and my joy at seeing it upon completion. People copying it would simply be an affirmation that I was right…it is cool.
If you design something that you love and are proud of…how does someone copying it diminish its meaning and beauty? Do people really sit around thinking “I can’t believe someone copied my piercing/tattoo/scar?” From my perspective it sounds very petty…very, very petty. Be happy with what you created because you know you are the creator.
Anything less sounds like a snobby community not an open-minded sharing one…
And to both girls… You both look great. Go out there and enjoy your scars 🙂
And to both girls… You both look great. Go out there and enjoy your scars 🙂
When I meet people with similar tattoos or placement, etc. I find that I tend to feel a bond to that person, like hey great minds think alike! And Dr. Frankenstein made me laugh… I happen to be getting cherry blossom nipple tattoos as I type this. 😉
I think both girls are super duper beautiful.
When I meet people with similar tattoos or placement, etc. I find that I tend to feel a bond to that person, like hey great minds think alike! And Dr. Frankenstein made me laugh… I happen to be getting cherry blossom nipple tattoos as I type this. 😉
I think both girls are super duper beautiful.
I think something this generic is a non-issue. I mean, what is there only supposed to be one person in the world with flowers on them? When you start talking about detailed artwork and specific themes, then sure, copying them is pretty lame, but to take a really obvious idea like this and replicate it is fine and inevitable.
I think something this generic is a non-issue. I mean, what is there only supposed to be one person in the world with flowers on them? When you start talking about detailed artwork and specific themes, then sure, copying them is pretty lame, but to take a really obvious idea like this and replicate it is fine and inevitable.
Though I do understand Mandy’s frustrations 100%…
It makes me think. If these scars were first placed on another IAM member who was ‘less well known’ in the community, and done by small town artist… would there have even been a reason for this to make mod blog? Would such a rift have even begun?
Though I do understand Mandy’s frustrations 100%…
It makes me think. If these scars were first placed on another IAM member who was ‘less well known’ in the community, and done by small town artist… would there have even been a reason for this to make mod blog? Would such a rift have even begun?
Same flower, different design. You can’t corner the market on sakuras.
Same flower, different design. You can’t corner the market on sakuras.
Honestly, I don’t think this even should have been featured on Modblog. It seems like the only intention was to bash on Nae. This so called “community” is falling apart in my eyes. Who really cares if the scars are similar? Is it really going to affect your life? Its not like an entire sleeve was duplicated exactly. I don’t know…fuck all the elitists.
And really, I think this site has gone way down-hill. Modblog now seems just like any ol’ porn rag. example: The totally gratuitous picture of the christina piercing that just got posted. Why is that featured other than the fact that its potential wanking material?
Honestly, I don’t think this even should have been featured on Modblog. It seems like the only intention was to bash on Nae. This so called “community” is falling apart in my eyes. Who really cares if the scars are similar? Is it really going to affect your life? Its not like an entire sleeve was duplicated exactly. I don’t know…fuck all the elitists.
And really, I think this site has gone way down-hill. Modblog now seems just like any ol’ porn rag. example: The totally gratuitous picture of the christina piercing that just got posted. Why is that featured other than the fact that its potential wanking material?
Trav – Read what I wrote, both in the comments and in the entry. It absolutely wasn’t posted to bash Nae. I included Nae’s comments about her motivation, and I also mentioned that I don’t personally think that sharing common motifs is a big deal either way.
The Christina picture was posted because it’s a great photo and is a perfectly valid post in my opinion.
…and SEX is a big part of the body modification community, and arguably the BIGGEST part of the community when you look at the big picture, since it’s the sexual aspects that survive in between the bubbles of fashion — if it wasn’t for people who find body modification sexually interesting, it would die out completely.
Trav – Read what I wrote, both in the comments and in the entry. It absolutely wasn’t posted to bash Nae. I included Nae’s comments about her motivation, and I also mentioned that I don’t personally think that sharing common motifs is a big deal either way.
The Christina picture was posted because it’s a great photo and is a perfectly valid post in my opinion.
…and SEX is a big part of the body modification community, and arguably the BIGGEST part of the community when you look at the big picture, since it’s the sexual aspects that survive in between the bubbles of fashion — if it wasn’t for people who find body modification sexually interesting, it would die out completely.
Oh for crying out loud- no one owns the rights to a particular design or the process. What the hell would be the point if they did?? Should a design now come with a copyright tag, just so someone can turn around and say “oh i had it first” – which is probably doubtful unless you’ve got a record of every body mod every done in the history of the planet.
Its a beautiful design and i cant wait to see it compeleted – end of,
Oh for crying out loud- no one owns the rights to a particular design or the process. What the hell would be the point if they did?? Should a design now come with a copyright tag, just so someone can turn around and say “oh i had it first” – which is probably doubtful unless you’ve got a record of every body mod every done in the history of the planet.
Its a beautiful design and i cant wait to see it compeleted – end of,
ALL OF YOU! SHUT UP!
ALL OF YOU! SHUT UP!
Kill me for this.. but how original can you get with cherry blossoms?… the world and his dog has some sort of cherry blossom weather its tattoed or scared.
Its not like the first girl came up with the newest design you could think of with the cherry blossoms…
they both look hot, and they each were done differently and consequently heal differently….
Kill me for this.. but how original can you get with cherry blossoms?… the world and his dog has some sort of cherry blossom weather its tattoed or scared.
Its not like the first girl came up with the newest design you could think of with the cherry blossoms…
they both look hot, and they each were done differently and consequently heal differently….