A black-and-white photo of a person mid-air in a Superman-style body suspension pose, supported by multiple hooks in their back and legs, smiling joyfully toward the camera. They are suspended horizontally in a large indoor space with high ceilings and visible rigging. A group of onlookers—some seated, some standing—watch with expressions of admiration, amusement, and support. The atmosphere is lively and communal, capturing a moment of shared experience and transformation.

Chain Link Piercings Gone Bad (Well, Duh!)

So the fifteen year old DIY-piercer in this photo came in to Color Works in West Des Moines, Iowa with their mother after their doctor refused to help with the problem he’d caused. He’d decided to do the piercings himself — a pair of lip rings and a septum — using, and I kid you not, pieces of chain link that he’d clipped off with wire cutters. They weren’t pierced in place — they were just “crushed” in place with a pair of pliers and brutally crimped into his flesh!

Evan removed them (and one was even rusted), cleaned him up, and told him to go back to the doctor. While Evan was dealing with the problem, the kid refused to stop touching the problem areas no matter how much he was told, and his mother let his four little brothers and sisters come running into the piercing room from the lobby, upon which the one kid immediately starts going through the garbage. Jarret (who took the photos) got them under control as the mother told him about how she’d tried to cut the piercings out with scissors. Darwin Award anyone?

Seriously, this is why in my opinion laws need to allow young people to get body piercings. “18+” and “16+” laws do nothing but hurt young people. Doctors don’t give a fuck and don’t know what they’re talking about most of the time and are so constrained by liability insurance that they often can’t help even if they want to, parents are clueless, and there are plenty of fly-by-night shops and nomadic piercers willing to abuse pierce kids anyway… High quality shops need to be accessible to people of all ages, because the fact is, people of all ages want piercings, and they’ll get them one way or another.

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904 responses to “Chain Link Piercings Gone Bad (Well, Duh!)”

  1. CreativeNonFiction Avatar

    And why does everyone make it sound like DIY is an aweful idea? Obviously there are plenty of people who do their own piercings and have them turn out well. It’s just uneducated and with innapropriate methods/utilities that we should be protecting them from.

  2. CreativeNonFiction Avatar

    And why does everyone make it sound like DIY is an aweful idea? Obviously there are plenty of people who do their own piercings and have them turn out well. It’s just uneducated and with innapropriate methods/utilities that we should be protecting them from.

  3. CreativeNonFiction Avatar

    And drawing parallels between piercings and drinking and drugs isn’t fair either. Sure, part is because they aren’t able or just don’t think about the future enough to respect how the choices will affect them in the future. But part of not becoming a drunk or smoking 4 packs a day as a child is because there are so many more problems that can occur because the body’s not finished growing yet. Yes, tattoos would be a bad idea on skin that’s still growing, but things like faces really don’t grow much throughout your entire life. Ultimately I think it should be a case by case decision, not a blanket law.

  4. CreativeNonFiction Avatar

    And drawing parallels between piercings and drinking and drugs isn’t fair either. Sure, part is because they aren’t able or just don’t think about the future enough to respect how the choices will affect them in the future. But part of not becoming a drunk or smoking 4 packs a day as a child is because there are so many more problems that can occur because the body’s not finished growing yet. Yes, tattoos would be a bad idea on skin that’s still growing, but things like faces really don’t grow much throughout your entire life. Ultimately I think it should be a case by case decision, not a blanket law.

  5. CreativeNonFiction Avatar

    And drawing parallels between piercings and drinking and drugs isn’t fair either. Sure, part is because they aren’t able or just don’t think about the future enough to respect how the choices will affect them in the future. But part of not becoming a drunk or smoking 4 packs a day as a child is because there are so many more problems that can occur because the body’s not finished growing yet. Yes, tattoos would be a bad idea on skin that’s still growing, but things like faces really don’t grow much throughout your entire life. Ultimately I think it should be a case by case decision, not a blanket law.

  6. CreativeNonFiction Avatar

    And drawing parallels between piercings and drinking and drugs isn’t fair either. Sure, part is because they aren’t able or just don’t think about the future enough to respect how the choices will affect them in the future. But part of not becoming a drunk or smoking 4 packs a day as a child is because there are so many more problems that can occur because the body’s not finished growing yet. Yes, tattoos would be a bad idea on skin that’s still growing, but things like faces really don’t grow much throughout your entire life. Ultimately I think it should be a case by case decision, not a blanket law.

  7. Core Avatar
    Core

    Some people really shouldn’t breed.

  8. Core Avatar
    Core

    Some people really shouldn’t breed.

  9. Core Avatar
    Core

    Some people really shouldn’t breed.

  10. Core Avatar
    Core

    Some people really shouldn’t breed.

  11. T-Bone Avatar
    T-Bone

    If that kind was that stupid enough to pierce his own lips and nose with fence links his parents or someone with a little bit of a brain should have told him to remove the rusted metal from his face. Yes his face would have healed better without the rusted metal in his face!!! #159 Creative non fiction

  12. T-Bone Avatar
    T-Bone

    If that kind was that stupid enough to pierce his own lips and nose with fence links his parents or someone with a little bit of a brain should have told him to remove the rusted metal from his face. Yes his face would have healed better without the rusted metal in his face!!! #159 Creative non fiction

  13. T-Bone Avatar
    T-Bone

    If that kind was that stupid enough to pierce his own lips and nose with fence links his parents or someone with a little bit of a brain should have told him to remove the rusted metal from his face. Yes his face would have healed better without the rusted metal in his face!!! #159 Creative non fiction

  14. T-Bone Avatar
    T-Bone

    If that kind was that stupid enough to pierce his own lips and nose with fence links his parents or someone with a little bit of a brain should have told him to remove the rusted metal from his face. Yes his face would have healed better without the rusted metal in his face!!! #159 Creative non fiction

  15. Warren Hiller Avatar

    #164 CreativeNonFiction: The simply fact is that most DIY’ers simply do not comprehend what exactly it is that a professional does.

    Afterall…All it is is a piercing right? *sighs*

    When a DIY’er can properly use the required disinfectants to prepare the work environment. When a DIY’er can properly obtain sterile needles and PROPER sterile jewelry(last I recall 99% of all jewelry sold online does not come pre-sterilized, and even if it did, I’d personally want to re-sterilize it)…When a DIY’er understands the proper protocol for prepping the area to be pierced as well as understanding anatomy so they don’t fuck themselves up.

    When a DIY’er can pretty much rival that of a Professional Piercer(I’m not talking just the current average level piercer, because sadly there’s more poor quality then high quality artists out there), I’ll say they are able to do it in their home.

    Yes what you do to your own body is your own body…But when what you do to your own body REFLECTS the business industry that I work in, and work hard at showing it in a positive light….All most of the DIY’ers, like the individual in the article, are doing are giving our industry a VERY bad rep.

    Because when the people are hospitalized/die/whatever the tabloids don’t look at if it was done professionally or not…They broad spectrum it and say it was a piercing that caused the hospitalization/death,etc.

    Nowadays when I read/see people talking about DIY mods, you know what my advice is? My advice to DIY’ers is this:

    Visit a studio and ask the piercer privately if its possible for them to help you prep/mark/pick the proper jewelry,etc…But when it comes time to pass the needle through the entry and exit points, that you do it not them(the piercer).

    But know what the flaw is there? Most people think they are spending endless amounts of cash they don’t have by going to a piercer…Instead they’ll spend it on a needle, on a piece of jewelry, NOTHING else…They’ll pierce themselves with jewelry, not making sure its even of the right type,etc.

    Then guess what? They show up on our doorsteps with a poorly done piercing asking for help and often are paying more money out of their pockets to try and fix it.

    I can’t count how many times I’ve had endless waves of individuals coming into this shop with self-done or friend done piercings gone bad, that I had to help try to correct.

    The fact is most DIY’ers are not informed on ANY subject matter and simply want to do it because they are saving a few bucks…The ones doing it for more serious reasons, other than just to save a buck, are certainly in the minority…

    But even then how many people comprehend jewelry quality/materials? How many people know proper procedural prepping protocol? How many people know proper sterilization procedures(since the average DIY’er is “sterilizing” with boiled water and/or alcohol)

    And once more I’ll add that it’s not that the DIY’ers did the piercing and did the piercing well…And that all the others are just uneducated,etc…The ones that managed NOT to fuck their bodies up, are only LUCKY.

    Because like I said most, I’ll just throw out say a 90% value, simply do not comprehend in the SLIGHTEST what it takes to do a PROPER piercing procedure….From start to finish.

    Again this is why if anyone is wanting to perform a DIY procedure on themselves, I actually ENCOURAGE them to come to me and ask for me to help guide them through this journey.

    I’ll simply charge them for the supplies and jewelry,etc…I won’t take the piercing fee that I normally make…Just so that I can provide a safe DIY experience for these people.

    Also finally there are DIY’ers of ALL ages, not just minors…This specific discussion is about Minors who are simply doing something because they are told they cannot.

    And funny…Drugs and Alcohol can kill you, FACT….Improper education/knowledge of Body Piercing CAN KILL YOU ALSO…

    For those that call bullshit on me, I throw the bullshit right back at you…Because there IS documentation of individuals dying/being hospitalized due to body piercings…Mostly from performing DIY procedures or going to very shady/crappy shops. This is often a result of improper piercing techniques as well as aftercare protocol.

    So yes even though its all along a different portion of the same line…All these things are things that minors are told: “NO YOU CANNOT DO!”

    And lets take a poll and ask this…When you were a minor and you were told you could not do something, how many of you listened to what you were told? Seriously?

    I know for a fact that 9 times outta 10 I said “FUCK THAT” and did what I was told NOT to do.

    Its just a common thing growing up, thinking we’re invincible and that nobody and nothing can harm you.

  16. Warren Hiller Avatar

    #164 CreativeNonFiction: The simply fact is that most DIY’ers simply do not comprehend what exactly it is that a professional does.

    Afterall…All it is is a piercing right? *sighs*

    When a DIY’er can properly use the required disinfectants to prepare the work environment. When a DIY’er can properly obtain sterile needles and PROPER sterile jewelry(last I recall 99% of all jewelry sold online does not come pre-sterilized, and even if it did, I’d personally want to re-sterilize it)…When a DIY’er understands the proper protocol for prepping the area to be pierced as well as understanding anatomy so they don’t fuck themselves up.

    When a DIY’er can pretty much rival that of a Professional Piercer(I’m not talking just the current average level piercer, because sadly there’s more poor quality then high quality artists out there), I’ll say they are able to do it in their home.

    Yes what you do to your own body is your own body…But when what you do to your own body REFLECTS the business industry that I work in, and work hard at showing it in a positive light….All most of the DIY’ers, like the individual in the article, are doing are giving our industry a VERY bad rep.

    Because when the people are hospitalized/die/whatever the tabloids don’t look at if it was done professionally or not…They broad spectrum it and say it was a piercing that caused the hospitalization/death,etc.

    Nowadays when I read/see people talking about DIY mods, you know what my advice is? My advice to DIY’ers is this:

    Visit a studio and ask the piercer privately if its possible for them to help you prep/mark/pick the proper jewelry,etc…But when it comes time to pass the needle through the entry and exit points, that you do it not them(the piercer).

    But know what the flaw is there? Most people think they are spending endless amounts of cash they don’t have by going to a piercer…Instead they’ll spend it on a needle, on a piece of jewelry, NOTHING else…They’ll pierce themselves with jewelry, not making sure its even of the right type,etc.

    Then guess what? They show up on our doorsteps with a poorly done piercing asking for help and often are paying more money out of their pockets to try and fix it.

    I can’t count how many times I’ve had endless waves of individuals coming into this shop with self-done or friend done piercings gone bad, that I had to help try to correct.

    The fact is most DIY’ers are not informed on ANY subject matter and simply want to do it because they are saving a few bucks…The ones doing it for more serious reasons, other than just to save a buck, are certainly in the minority…

    But even then how many people comprehend jewelry quality/materials? How many people know proper procedural prepping protocol? How many people know proper sterilization procedures(since the average DIY’er is “sterilizing” with boiled water and/or alcohol)

    And once more I’ll add that it’s not that the DIY’ers did the piercing and did the piercing well…And that all the others are just uneducated,etc…The ones that managed NOT to fuck their bodies up, are only LUCKY.

    Because like I said most, I’ll just throw out say a 90% value, simply do not comprehend in the SLIGHTEST what it takes to do a PROPER piercing procedure….From start to finish.

    Again this is why if anyone is wanting to perform a DIY procedure on themselves, I actually ENCOURAGE them to come to me and ask for me to help guide them through this journey.

    I’ll simply charge them for the supplies and jewelry,etc…I won’t take the piercing fee that I normally make…Just so that I can provide a safe DIY experience for these people.

    Also finally there are DIY’ers of ALL ages, not just minors…This specific discussion is about Minors who are simply doing something because they are told they cannot.

    And funny…Drugs and Alcohol can kill you, FACT….Improper education/knowledge of Body Piercing CAN KILL YOU ALSO…

    For those that call bullshit on me, I throw the bullshit right back at you…Because there IS documentation of individuals dying/being hospitalized due to body piercings…Mostly from performing DIY procedures or going to very shady/crappy shops. This is often a result of improper piercing techniques as well as aftercare protocol.

    So yes even though its all along a different portion of the same line…All these things are things that minors are told: “NO YOU CANNOT DO!”

    And lets take a poll and ask this…When you were a minor and you were told you could not do something, how many of you listened to what you were told? Seriously?

    I know for a fact that 9 times outta 10 I said “FUCK THAT” and did what I was told NOT to do.

    Its just a common thing growing up, thinking we’re invincible and that nobody and nothing can harm you.

  17. Warren Hiller Avatar

    #164 CreativeNonFiction: The simply fact is that most DIY’ers simply do not comprehend what exactly it is that a professional does.

    Afterall…All it is is a piercing right? *sighs*

    When a DIY’er can properly use the required disinfectants to prepare the work environment. When a DIY’er can properly obtain sterile needles and PROPER sterile jewelry(last I recall 99% of all jewelry sold online does not come pre-sterilized, and even if it did, I’d personally want to re-sterilize it)…When a DIY’er understands the proper protocol for prepping the area to be pierced as well as understanding anatomy so they don’t fuck themselves up.

    When a DIY’er can pretty much rival that of a Professional Piercer(I’m not talking just the current average level piercer, because sadly there’s more poor quality then high quality artists out there), I’ll say they are able to do it in their home.

    Yes what you do to your own body is your own body…But when what you do to your own body REFLECTS the business industry that I work in, and work hard at showing it in a positive light….All most of the DIY’ers, like the individual in the article, are doing are giving our industry a VERY bad rep.

    Because when the people are hospitalized/die/whatever the tabloids don’t look at if it was done professionally or not…They broad spectrum it and say it was a piercing that caused the hospitalization/death,etc.

    Nowadays when I read/see people talking about DIY mods, you know what my advice is? My advice to DIY’ers is this:

    Visit a studio and ask the piercer privately if its possible for them to help you prep/mark/pick the proper jewelry,etc…But when it comes time to pass the needle through the entry and exit points, that you do it not them(the piercer).

    But know what the flaw is there? Most people think they are spending endless amounts of cash they don’t have by going to a piercer…Instead they’ll spend it on a needle, on a piece of jewelry, NOTHING else…They’ll pierce themselves with jewelry, not making sure its even of the right type,etc.

    Then guess what? They show up on our doorsteps with a poorly done piercing asking for help and often are paying more money out of their pockets to try and fix it.

    I can’t count how many times I’ve had endless waves of individuals coming into this shop with self-done or friend done piercings gone bad, that I had to help try to correct.

    The fact is most DIY’ers are not informed on ANY subject matter and simply want to do it because they are saving a few bucks…The ones doing it for more serious reasons, other than just to save a buck, are certainly in the minority…

    But even then how many people comprehend jewelry quality/materials? How many people know proper procedural prepping protocol? How many people know proper sterilization procedures(since the average DIY’er is “sterilizing” with boiled water and/or alcohol)

    And once more I’ll add that it’s not that the DIY’ers did the piercing and did the piercing well…And that all the others are just uneducated,etc…The ones that managed NOT to fuck their bodies up, are only LUCKY.

    Because like I said most, I’ll just throw out say a 90% value, simply do not comprehend in the SLIGHTEST what it takes to do a PROPER piercing procedure….From start to finish.

    Again this is why if anyone is wanting to perform a DIY procedure on themselves, I actually ENCOURAGE them to come to me and ask for me to help guide them through this journey.

    I’ll simply charge them for the supplies and jewelry,etc…I won’t take the piercing fee that I normally make…Just so that I can provide a safe DIY experience for these people.

    Also finally there are DIY’ers of ALL ages, not just minors…This specific discussion is about Minors who are simply doing something because they are told they cannot.

    And funny…Drugs and Alcohol can kill you, FACT….Improper education/knowledge of Body Piercing CAN KILL YOU ALSO…

    For those that call bullshit on me, I throw the bullshit right back at you…Because there IS documentation of individuals dying/being hospitalized due to body piercings…Mostly from performing DIY procedures or going to very shady/crappy shops. This is often a result of improper piercing techniques as well as aftercare protocol.

    So yes even though its all along a different portion of the same line…All these things are things that minors are told: “NO YOU CANNOT DO!”

    And lets take a poll and ask this…When you were a minor and you were told you could not do something, how many of you listened to what you were told? Seriously?

    I know for a fact that 9 times outta 10 I said “FUCK THAT” and did what I was told NOT to do.

    Its just a common thing growing up, thinking we’re invincible and that nobody and nothing can harm you.

  18. Warren Hiller Avatar

    #164 CreativeNonFiction: The simply fact is that most DIY’ers simply do not comprehend what exactly it is that a professional does.

    Afterall…All it is is a piercing right? *sighs*

    When a DIY’er can properly use the required disinfectants to prepare the work environment. When a DIY’er can properly obtain sterile needles and PROPER sterile jewelry(last I recall 99% of all jewelry sold online does not come pre-sterilized, and even if it did, I’d personally want to re-sterilize it)…When a DIY’er understands the proper protocol for prepping the area to be pierced as well as understanding anatomy so they don’t fuck themselves up.

    When a DIY’er can pretty much rival that of a Professional Piercer(I’m not talking just the current average level piercer, because sadly there’s more poor quality then high quality artists out there), I’ll say they are able to do it in their home.

    Yes what you do to your own body is your own body…But when what you do to your own body REFLECTS the business industry that I work in, and work hard at showing it in a positive light….All most of the DIY’ers, like the individual in the article, are doing are giving our industry a VERY bad rep.

    Because when the people are hospitalized/die/whatever the tabloids don’t look at if it was done professionally or not…They broad spectrum it and say it was a piercing that caused the hospitalization/death,etc.

    Nowadays when I read/see people talking about DIY mods, you know what my advice is? My advice to DIY’ers is this:

    Visit a studio and ask the piercer privately if its possible for them to help you prep/mark/pick the proper jewelry,etc…But when it comes time to pass the needle through the entry and exit points, that you do it not them(the piercer).

    But know what the flaw is there? Most people think they are spending endless amounts of cash they don’t have by going to a piercer…Instead they’ll spend it on a needle, on a piece of jewelry, NOTHING else…They’ll pierce themselves with jewelry, not making sure its even of the right type,etc.

    Then guess what? They show up on our doorsteps with a poorly done piercing asking for help and often are paying more money out of their pockets to try and fix it.

    I can’t count how many times I’ve had endless waves of individuals coming into this shop with self-done or friend done piercings gone bad, that I had to help try to correct.

    The fact is most DIY’ers are not informed on ANY subject matter and simply want to do it because they are saving a few bucks…The ones doing it for more serious reasons, other than just to save a buck, are certainly in the minority…

    But even then how many people comprehend jewelry quality/materials? How many people know proper procedural prepping protocol? How many people know proper sterilization procedures(since the average DIY’er is “sterilizing” with boiled water and/or alcohol)

    And once more I’ll add that it’s not that the DIY’ers did the piercing and did the piercing well…And that all the others are just uneducated,etc…The ones that managed NOT to fuck their bodies up, are only LUCKY.

    Because like I said most, I’ll just throw out say a 90% value, simply do not comprehend in the SLIGHTEST what it takes to do a PROPER piercing procedure….From start to finish.

    Again this is why if anyone is wanting to perform a DIY procedure on themselves, I actually ENCOURAGE them to come to me and ask for me to help guide them through this journey.

    I’ll simply charge them for the supplies and jewelry,etc…I won’t take the piercing fee that I normally make…Just so that I can provide a safe DIY experience for these people.

    Also finally there are DIY’ers of ALL ages, not just minors…This specific discussion is about Minors who are simply doing something because they are told they cannot.

    And funny…Drugs and Alcohol can kill you, FACT….Improper education/knowledge of Body Piercing CAN KILL YOU ALSO…

    For those that call bullshit on me, I throw the bullshit right back at you…Because there IS documentation of individuals dying/being hospitalized due to body piercings…Mostly from performing DIY procedures or going to very shady/crappy shops. This is often a result of improper piercing techniques as well as aftercare protocol.

    So yes even though its all along a different portion of the same line…All these things are things that minors are told: “NO YOU CANNOT DO!”

    And lets take a poll and ask this…When you were a minor and you were told you could not do something, how many of you listened to what you were told? Seriously?

    I know for a fact that 9 times outta 10 I said “FUCK THAT” and did what I was told NOT to do.

    Its just a common thing growing up, thinking we’re invincible and that nobody and nothing can harm you.

  19. CreativeNonFiction Avatar

    I don’t understand what your stance is, Warren. You’re saying kids under 18 are a liability, but you’re expecting them to do whatever they’re told not to. If we made it legal, in your eyes wouldn’t the likelyhood of them getting pierced go down?

  20. CreativeNonFiction Avatar

    I don’t understand what your stance is, Warren. You’re saying kids under 18 are a liability, but you’re expecting them to do whatever they’re told not to. If we made it legal, in your eyes wouldn’t the likelyhood of them getting pierced go down?

  21. CreativeNonFiction Avatar

    I don’t understand what your stance is, Warren. You’re saying kids under 18 are a liability, but you’re expecting them to do whatever they’re told not to. If we made it legal, in your eyes wouldn’t the likelyhood of them getting pierced go down?

  22. CreativeNonFiction Avatar

    I don’t understand what your stance is, Warren. You’re saying kids under 18 are a liability, but you’re expecting them to do whatever they’re told not to. If we made it legal, in your eyes wouldn’t the likelyhood of them getting pierced go down?

  23. Sade Avatar
    Sade

    ok,this discussion had made me think of all the times as a teen when i did some pretty dumb and painful shit to myself. one of the main reasons i wanted mods was because of the aesthetics, but a secondary reason was because i like pain to a certain degree. i think that possibly this might be the reason for this kid to have done this to himself.don’t get me wrong, the whole damn family doesn’t seem to bright but pain can be enjoyable/thrilling.

  24. Sade Avatar
    Sade

    ok,this discussion had made me think of all the times as a teen when i did some pretty dumb and painful shit to myself. one of the main reasons i wanted mods was because of the aesthetics, but a secondary reason was because i like pain to a certain degree. i think that possibly this might be the reason for this kid to have done this to himself.don’t get me wrong, the whole damn family doesn’t seem to bright but pain can be enjoyable/thrilling.

  25. Sade Avatar
    Sade

    ok,this discussion had made me think of all the times as a teen when i did some pretty dumb and painful shit to myself. one of the main reasons i wanted mods was because of the aesthetics, but a secondary reason was because i like pain to a certain degree. i think that possibly this might be the reason for this kid to have done this to himself.don’t get me wrong, the whole damn family doesn’t seem to bright but pain can be enjoyable/thrilling.

  26. Sade Avatar
    Sade

    ok,this discussion had made me think of all the times as a teen when i did some pretty dumb and painful shit to myself. one of the main reasons i wanted mods was because of the aesthetics, but a secondary reason was because i like pain to a certain degree. i think that possibly this might be the reason for this kid to have done this to himself.don’t get me wrong, the whole damn family doesn’t seem to bright but pain can be enjoyable/thrilling.

  27. Warren Hiller Avatar

    My stance is this…kids nowadays do not listen to parents or any other authority figure, Idiocracy is taking control.

    Does anyone remember a time in their life where when a parent/adult told you no, you actually listened to them? Most of us can’t because we weren’t raised that way, hell most of us weren’t probably raised hardly at all. Due to the fact that nowadays most households require BOTH parents in the work field, to make a family survive.

    My stance is this, EDUCATE the minors and make them realize that this IS a big step to take, that it’s NOT “Just another piercing”.

    Its not “expecting them to do whatever they’re told not to” its REALIZING that the minors are going to do the complete opposite of what they’re told…”You say I can’t do this, well fuck you I’m going to”

    And no I don’t think the chances of minors getting pierced would go down…Instead I think it’ll stay steady or even increase initially. And also due to the current status of many sub-par shops in the world nowadays, you’ll be seeing just as many problems.

    Currently I hold a VERY strict policy of 16+ for all basic piercings and 18+ for genitals/surface,etc.

    However I have been known to on occasion pierce a minor…The ONLY piercing they can receive is an ear lobe(s)…And know what my FIRST response is when they come in? “NO!”

    From the minute I say “No” I base what I’m REALLY going to do on their(the minors) actions…For starters its always the parents coming in asking, not the minor…Secondly often when I tell them no, the minors will LITERALLY get all upset.

    Hell I even had one kid STORM outta my studio crying because I told her no.

    What does that say to me? It says they are not mentally/maturely capable of dealing with the concept of getting pierced.

    If I was to say: “no” and the minor looked confused and just kept asking me why, as well as asked serious questions about the process,etc…Then that shows they are interested.

    And the only liability for me is kids under 16, as I’m in Canada…Which the current age for a minor to sign for themselves, choose to do what they want to do and what they don’t want to do, etc is the age of 16 years old.

    Now in the legal sense of the matter…Anyone under the age of 16 is not allowed in the procedure room with me, receiving what I do. This is all based on Age Of Consent laws that govern ANY act of Penetration(ie: we penetrate the body with a needle).

    I’m willing to help fix a minors mistake, because with that they’ll get a solid talking to, as well as they’ll be paying for my service.

    But ultimately my stance is the legal limitations on MY end…What we as an industry, the parents,etc need to do is help make their kids aware of the risks and try to not delve into Idiocracy world.

    For those who claim rites of passage,etc…We then have to evaluate EVERY SINGLE DETAIL about that rite of passage…Many of those situations involved when a child became an adult(man/woman),etc…Which back in the early years DID happen sooner than later due to life expectancy…Now that life expectancy is changing and so is the human race…We cannot compare a 14 year old now to a 14 year old 50, 100 and most definately 1000 years ago.

    Again ultimately I believe its our duty to at least EDUCATE them first…So if anything to pierce a minor…they should at least pass a consultation first, both with parent and without…and I’m not talkin a 5 minute meeting either.

    Its about not just saying NO to the minors…But more so just talking to them and making them understand what is going on with their bodies…All a minors life they have someone talk DOWN or AT them…If we just talk WITH them about the situation, personally I think we’ll see less problems occuring.

  28. Warren Hiller Avatar

    My stance is this…kids nowadays do not listen to parents or any other authority figure, Idiocracy is taking control.

    Does anyone remember a time in their life where when a parent/adult told you no, you actually listened to them? Most of us can’t because we weren’t raised that way, hell most of us weren’t probably raised hardly at all. Due to the fact that nowadays most households require BOTH parents in the work field, to make a family survive.

    My stance is this, EDUCATE the minors and make them realize that this IS a big step to take, that it’s NOT “Just another piercing”.

    Its not “expecting them to do whatever they’re told not to” its REALIZING that the minors are going to do the complete opposite of what they’re told…”You say I can’t do this, well fuck you I’m going to”

    And no I don’t think the chances of minors getting pierced would go down…Instead I think it’ll stay steady or even increase initially. And also due to the current status of many sub-par shops in the world nowadays, you’ll be seeing just as many problems.

    Currently I hold a VERY strict policy of 16+ for all basic piercings and 18+ for genitals/surface,etc.

    However I have been known to on occasion pierce a minor…The ONLY piercing they can receive is an ear lobe(s)…And know what my FIRST response is when they come in? “NO!”

    From the minute I say “No” I base what I’m REALLY going to do on their(the minors) actions…For starters its always the parents coming in asking, not the minor…Secondly often when I tell them no, the minors will LITERALLY get all upset.

    Hell I even had one kid STORM outta my studio crying because I told her no.

    What does that say to me? It says they are not mentally/maturely capable of dealing with the concept of getting pierced.

    If I was to say: “no” and the minor looked confused and just kept asking me why, as well as asked serious questions about the process,etc…Then that shows they are interested.

    And the only liability for me is kids under 16, as I’m in Canada…Which the current age for a minor to sign for themselves, choose to do what they want to do and what they don’t want to do, etc is the age of 16 years old.

    Now in the legal sense of the matter…Anyone under the age of 16 is not allowed in the procedure room with me, receiving what I do. This is all based on Age Of Consent laws that govern ANY act of Penetration(ie: we penetrate the body with a needle).

    I’m willing to help fix a minors mistake, because with that they’ll get a solid talking to, as well as they’ll be paying for my service.

    But ultimately my stance is the legal limitations on MY end…What we as an industry, the parents,etc need to do is help make their kids aware of the risks and try to not delve into Idiocracy world.

    For those who claim rites of passage,etc…We then have to evaluate EVERY SINGLE DETAIL about that rite of passage…Many of those situations involved when a child became an adult(man/woman),etc…Which back in the early years DID happen sooner than later due to life expectancy…Now that life expectancy is changing and so is the human race…We cannot compare a 14 year old now to a 14 year old 50, 100 and most definately 1000 years ago.

    Again ultimately I believe its our duty to at least EDUCATE them first…So if anything to pierce a minor…they should at least pass a consultation first, both with parent and without…and I’m not talkin a 5 minute meeting either.

    Its about not just saying NO to the minors…But more so just talking to them and making them understand what is going on with their bodies…All a minors life they have someone talk DOWN or AT them…If we just talk WITH them about the situation, personally I think we’ll see less problems occuring.

  29. Warren Hiller Avatar

    My stance is this…kids nowadays do not listen to parents or any other authority figure, Idiocracy is taking control.

    Does anyone remember a time in their life where when a parent/adult told you no, you actually listened to them? Most of us can’t because we weren’t raised that way, hell most of us weren’t probably raised hardly at all. Due to the fact that nowadays most households require BOTH parents in the work field, to make a family survive.

    My stance is this, EDUCATE the minors and make them realize that this IS a big step to take, that it’s NOT “Just another piercing”.

    Its not “expecting them to do whatever they’re told not to” its REALIZING that the minors are going to do the complete opposite of what they’re told…”You say I can’t do this, well fuck you I’m going to”

    And no I don’t think the chances of minors getting pierced would go down…Instead I think it’ll stay steady or even increase initially. And also due to the current status of many sub-par shops in the world nowadays, you’ll be seeing just as many problems.

    Currently I hold a VERY strict policy of 16+ for all basic piercings and 18+ for genitals/surface,etc.

    However I have been known to on occasion pierce a minor…The ONLY piercing they can receive is an ear lobe(s)…And know what my FIRST response is when they come in? “NO!”

    From the minute I say “No” I base what I’m REALLY going to do on their(the minors) actions…For starters its always the parents coming in asking, not the minor…Secondly often when I tell them no, the minors will LITERALLY get all upset.

    Hell I even had one kid STORM outta my studio crying because I told her no.

    What does that say to me? It says they are not mentally/maturely capable of dealing with the concept of getting pierced.

    If I was to say: “no” and the minor looked confused and just kept asking me why, as well as asked serious questions about the process,etc…Then that shows they are interested.

    And the only liability for me is kids under 16, as I’m in Canada…Which the current age for a minor to sign for themselves, choose to do what they want to do and what they don’t want to do, etc is the age of 16 years old.

    Now in the legal sense of the matter…Anyone under the age of 16 is not allowed in the procedure room with me, receiving what I do. This is all based on Age Of Consent laws that govern ANY act of Penetration(ie: we penetrate the body with a needle).

    I’m willing to help fix a minors mistake, because with that they’ll get a solid talking to, as well as they’ll be paying for my service.

    But ultimately my stance is the legal limitations on MY end…What we as an industry, the parents,etc need to do is help make their kids aware of the risks and try to not delve into Idiocracy world.

    For those who claim rites of passage,etc…We then have to evaluate EVERY SINGLE DETAIL about that rite of passage…Many of those situations involved when a child became an adult(man/woman),etc…Which back in the early years DID happen sooner than later due to life expectancy…Now that life expectancy is changing and so is the human race…We cannot compare a 14 year old now to a 14 year old 50, 100 and most definately 1000 years ago.

    Again ultimately I believe its our duty to at least EDUCATE them first…So if anything to pierce a minor…they should at least pass a consultation first, both with parent and without…and I’m not talkin a 5 minute meeting either.

    Its about not just saying NO to the minors…But more so just talking to them and making them understand what is going on with their bodies…All a minors life they have someone talk DOWN or AT them…If we just talk WITH them about the situation, personally I think we’ll see less problems occuring.

  30. Warren Hiller Avatar

    My stance is this…kids nowadays do not listen to parents or any other authority figure, Idiocracy is taking control.

    Does anyone remember a time in their life where when a parent/adult told you no, you actually listened to them? Most of us can’t because we weren’t raised that way, hell most of us weren’t probably raised hardly at all. Due to the fact that nowadays most households require BOTH parents in the work field, to make a family survive.

    My stance is this, EDUCATE the minors and make them realize that this IS a big step to take, that it’s NOT “Just another piercing”.

    Its not “expecting them to do whatever they’re told not to” its REALIZING that the minors are going to do the complete opposite of what they’re told…”You say I can’t do this, well fuck you I’m going to”

    And no I don’t think the chances of minors getting pierced would go down…Instead I think it’ll stay steady or even increase initially. And also due to the current status of many sub-par shops in the world nowadays, you’ll be seeing just as many problems.

    Currently I hold a VERY strict policy of 16+ for all basic piercings and 18+ for genitals/surface,etc.

    However I have been known to on occasion pierce a minor…The ONLY piercing they can receive is an ear lobe(s)…And know what my FIRST response is when they come in? “NO!”

    From the minute I say “No” I base what I’m REALLY going to do on their(the minors) actions…For starters its always the parents coming in asking, not the minor…Secondly often when I tell them no, the minors will LITERALLY get all upset.

    Hell I even had one kid STORM outta my studio crying because I told her no.

    What does that say to me? It says they are not mentally/maturely capable of dealing with the concept of getting pierced.

    If I was to say: “no” and the minor looked confused and just kept asking me why, as well as asked serious questions about the process,etc…Then that shows they are interested.

    And the only liability for me is kids under 16, as I’m in Canada…Which the current age for a minor to sign for themselves, choose to do what they want to do and what they don’t want to do, etc is the age of 16 years old.

    Now in the legal sense of the matter…Anyone under the age of 16 is not allowed in the procedure room with me, receiving what I do. This is all based on Age Of Consent laws that govern ANY act of Penetration(ie: we penetrate the body with a needle).

    I’m willing to help fix a minors mistake, because with that they’ll get a solid talking to, as well as they’ll be paying for my service.

    But ultimately my stance is the legal limitations on MY end…What we as an industry, the parents,etc need to do is help make their kids aware of the risks and try to not delve into Idiocracy world.

    For those who claim rites of passage,etc…We then have to evaluate EVERY SINGLE DETAIL about that rite of passage…Many of those situations involved when a child became an adult(man/woman),etc…Which back in the early years DID happen sooner than later due to life expectancy…Now that life expectancy is changing and so is the human race…We cannot compare a 14 year old now to a 14 year old 50, 100 and most definately 1000 years ago.

    Again ultimately I believe its our duty to at least EDUCATE them first…So if anything to pierce a minor…they should at least pass a consultation first, both with parent and without…and I’m not talkin a 5 minute meeting either.

    Its about not just saying NO to the minors…But more so just talking to them and making them understand what is going on with their bodies…All a minors life they have someone talk DOWN or AT them…If we just talk WITH them about the situation, personally I think we’ll see less problems occuring.

  31. Warren Hiller Avatar

    My stance is this…kids nowadays do not listen to parents or any other authority figure, Idiocracy is taking control.

    Does anyone remember a time in their life where when a parent/adult told you no, you actually listened to them? Most of us can’t because we weren’t raised that way, hell most of us weren’t probably raised hardly at all. Due to the fact that nowadays most households require BOTH parents in the work field, to make a family survive.

    My stance is this, EDUCATE the minors and make them realize that this IS a big step to take, that it’s NOT “Just another piercing”.

    Its not “expecting them to do whatever they’re told not to” its REALIZING that the minors are going to do the complete opposite of what they’re told…”You say I can’t do this, well fuck you I’m going to”

    And no I don’t think the chances of minors getting pierced would go down…Instead I think it’ll stay steady or even increase initially. And also due to the current status of many sub-par shops in the world nowadays, you’ll be seeing just as many problems.

    Currently I hold a VERY strict policy of 16+ for all basic piercings and 18+ for genitals/surface,etc.

    However I have been known to on occasion pierce a minor…The ONLY piercing they can receive is an ear lobe(s)…And know what my FIRST response is when they come in? “NO!”

    From the minute I say “No” I base what I’m REALLY going to do on their(the minors) actions…For starters its always the parents coming in asking, not the minor…Secondly often when I tell them no, the minors will LITERALLY get all upset.

    Hell I even had one kid STORM outta my studio crying because I told her no.

    What does that say to me? It says they are not mentally/maturely capable of dealing with the concept of getting pierced.

    If I was to say: “no” and the minor looked confused and just kept asking me why, as well as asked serious questions about the process,etc…Then that shows they are interested.

    And the only liability for me is kids under 16, as I’m in Canada…Which the current age for a minor to sign for themselves, choose to do what they want to do and what they don’t want to do, etc is the age of 16 years old.

    Now in the legal sense of the matter…Anyone under the age of 16 is not allowed in the procedure room with me, receiving what I do. This is all based on Age Of Consent laws that govern ANY act of Penetration(ie: we penetrate the body with a needle).

    I’m willing to help fix a minors mistake, because with that they’ll get a solid talking to, as well as they’ll be paying for my service.

    But ultimately my stance is the legal limitations on MY end…What we as an industry, the parents,etc need to do is help make their kids aware of the risks and try to not delve into Idiocracy world.

    For those who claim rites of passage,etc…We then have to evaluate EVERY SINGLE DETAIL about that rite of passage…Many of those situations involved when a child became an adult(man/woman),etc…Which back in the early years DID happen sooner than later due to life expectancy…Now that life expectancy is changing and so is the human race…We cannot compare a 14 year old now to a 14 year old 50, 100 and most definately 1000 years ago.

    Again ultimately I believe its our duty to at least EDUCATE them first…So if anything to pierce a minor…they should at least pass a consultation first, both with parent and without…and I’m not talkin a 5 minute meeting either.

    Its about not just saying NO to the minors…But more so just talking to them and making them understand what is going on with their bodies…All a minors life they have someone talk DOWN or AT them…If we just talk WITH them about the situation, personally I think we’ll see less problems occuring.

    Sorry I’m all across the board…Just this article and so much more, is stuff I deal on a DAILY basis…and it frustrates me to no end that the mind is going a mile a minute and I’m trying to bring forth ALL the issues at once lol

  32. Warren Hiller Avatar

    My stance is this…kids nowadays do not listen to parents or any other authority figure, Idiocracy is taking control.

    Does anyone remember a time in their life where when a parent/adult told you no, you actually listened to them? Most of us can’t because we weren’t raised that way, hell most of us weren’t probably raised hardly at all. Due to the fact that nowadays most households require BOTH parents in the work field, to make a family survive.

    My stance is this, EDUCATE the minors and make them realize that this IS a big step to take, that it’s NOT “Just another piercing”.

    Its not “expecting them to do whatever they’re told not to” its REALIZING that the minors are going to do the complete opposite of what they’re told…”You say I can’t do this, well fuck you I’m going to”

    And no I don’t think the chances of minors getting pierced would go down…Instead I think it’ll stay steady or even increase initially. And also due to the current status of many sub-par shops in the world nowadays, you’ll be seeing just as many problems.

    Currently I hold a VERY strict policy of 16+ for all basic piercings and 18+ for genitals/surface,etc.

    However I have been known to on occasion pierce a minor…The ONLY piercing they can receive is an ear lobe(s)…And know what my FIRST response is when they come in? “NO!”

    From the minute I say “No” I base what I’m REALLY going to do on their(the minors) actions…For starters its always the parents coming in asking, not the minor…Secondly often when I tell them no, the minors will LITERALLY get all upset.

    Hell I even had one kid STORM outta my studio crying because I told her no.

    What does that say to me? It says they are not mentally/maturely capable of dealing with the concept of getting pierced.

    If I was to say: “no” and the minor looked confused and just kept asking me why, as well as asked serious questions about the process,etc…Then that shows they are interested.

    And the only liability for me is kids under 16, as I’m in Canada…Which the current age for a minor to sign for themselves, choose to do what they want to do and what they don’t want to do, etc is the age of 16 years old.

    Now in the legal sense of the matter…Anyone under the age of 16 is not allowed in the procedure room with me, receiving what I do. This is all based on Age Of Consent laws that govern ANY act of Penetration(ie: we penetrate the body with a needle).

    I’m willing to help fix a minors mistake, because with that they’ll get a solid talking to, as well as they’ll be paying for my service.

    But ultimately my stance is the legal limitations on MY end…What we as an industry, the parents,etc need to do is help make their kids aware of the risks and try to not delve into Idiocracy world.

    For those who claim rites of passage,etc…We then have to evaluate EVERY SINGLE DETAIL about that rite of passage…Many of those situations involved when a child became an adult(man/woman),etc…Which back in the early years DID happen sooner than later due to life expectancy…Now that life expectancy is changing and so is the human race…We cannot compare a 14 year old now to a 14 year old 50, 100 and most definately 1000 years ago.

    Again ultimately I believe its our duty to at least EDUCATE them first…So if anything to pierce a minor…they should at least pass a consultation first, both with parent and without…and I’m not talkin a 5 minute meeting either.

    Its about not just saying NO to the minors…But more so just talking to them and making them understand what is going on with their bodies…All a minors life they have someone talk DOWN or AT them…If we just talk WITH them about the situation, personally I think we’ll see less problems occuring.

    Sorry I’m all across the board…Just this article and so much more, is stuff I deal on a DAILY basis…and it frustrates me to no end that the mind is going a mile a minute and I’m trying to bring forth ALL the issues at once lol

  33. Warren Hiller Avatar

    My stance is this…kids nowadays do not listen to parents or any other authority figure, Idiocracy is taking control.

    Does anyone remember a time in their life where when a parent/adult told you no, you actually listened to them? Most of us can’t because we weren’t raised that way, hell most of us weren’t probably raised hardly at all. Due to the fact that nowadays most households require BOTH parents in the work field, to make a family survive.

    My stance is this, EDUCATE the minors and make them realize that this IS a big step to take, that it’s NOT “Just another piercing”.

    Its not “expecting them to do whatever they’re told not to” its REALIZING that the minors are going to do the complete opposite of what they’re told…”You say I can’t do this, well fuck you I’m going to”

    And no I don’t think the chances of minors getting pierced would go down…Instead I think it’ll stay steady or even increase initially. And also due to the current status of many sub-par shops in the world nowadays, you’ll be seeing just as many problems.

    Currently I hold a VERY strict policy of 16+ for all basic piercings and 18+ for genitals/surface,etc.

    However I have been known to on occasion pierce a minor…The ONLY piercing they can receive is an ear lobe(s)…And know what my FIRST response is when they come in? “NO!”

    From the minute I say “No” I base what I’m REALLY going to do on their(the minors) actions…For starters its always the parents coming in asking, not the minor…Secondly often when I tell them no, the minors will LITERALLY get all upset.

    Hell I even had one kid STORM outta my studio crying because I told her no.

    What does that say to me? It says they are not mentally/maturely capable of dealing with the concept of getting pierced.

    If I was to say: “no” and the minor looked confused and just kept asking me why, as well as asked serious questions about the process,etc…Then that shows they are interested.

    And the only liability for me is kids under 16, as I’m in Canada…Which the current age for a minor to sign for themselves, choose to do what they want to do and what they don’t want to do, etc is the age of 16 years old.

    Now in the legal sense of the matter…Anyone under the age of 16 is not allowed in the procedure room with me, receiving what I do. This is all based on Age Of Consent laws that govern ANY act of Penetration(ie: we penetrate the body with a needle).

    I’m willing to help fix a minors mistake, because with that they’ll get a solid talking to, as well as they’ll be paying for my service.

    But ultimately my stance is the legal limitations on MY end…What we as an industry, the parents,etc need to do is help make their kids aware of the risks and try to not delve into Idiocracy world.

    For those who claim rites of passage,etc…We then have to evaluate EVERY SINGLE DETAIL about that rite of passage…Many of those situations involved when a child became an adult(man/woman),etc…Which back in the early years DID happen sooner than later due to life expectancy…Now that life expectancy is changing and so is the human race…We cannot compare a 14 year old now to a 14 year old 50, 100 and most definately 1000 years ago.

    Again ultimately I believe its our duty to at least EDUCATE them first…So if anything to pierce a minor…they should at least pass a consultation first, both with parent and without…and I’m not talkin a 5 minute meeting either.

    Its about not just saying NO to the minors…But more so just talking to them and making them understand what is going on with their bodies…All a minors life they have someone talk DOWN or AT them…If we just talk WITH them about the situation, personally I think we’ll see less problems occuring.

    Sorry I’m all across the board…Just this article and so much more, is stuff I deal on a DAILY basis…and it frustrates me to no end that the mind is going a mile a minute and I’m trying to bring forth ALL the issues at once lol

  34. Warren Hiller Avatar

    My stance is this…kids nowadays do not listen to parents or any other authority figure, Idiocracy is taking control.

    Does anyone remember a time in their life where when a parent/adult told you no, you actually listened to them? Most of us can’t because we weren’t raised that way, hell most of us weren’t probably raised hardly at all. Due to the fact that nowadays most households require BOTH parents in the work field, to make a family survive.

    My stance is this, EDUCATE the minors and make them realize that this IS a big step to take, that it’s NOT “Just another piercing”.

    Its not “expecting them to do whatever they’re told not to” its REALIZING that the minors are going to do the complete opposite of what they’re told…”You say I can’t do this, well fuck you I’m going to”

    And no I don’t think the chances of minors getting pierced would go down…Instead I think it’ll stay steady or even increase initially. And also due to the current status of many sub-par shops in the world nowadays, you’ll be seeing just as many problems.

    Currently I hold a VERY strict policy of 16+ for all basic piercings and 18+ for genitals/surface,etc.

    However I have been known to on occasion pierce a minor…The ONLY piercing they can receive is an ear lobe(s)…And know what my FIRST response is when they come in? “NO!”

    From the minute I say “No” I base what I’m REALLY going to do on their(the minors) actions…For starters its always the parents coming in asking, not the minor…Secondly often when I tell them no, the minors will LITERALLY get all upset.

    Hell I even had one kid STORM outta my studio crying because I told her no.

    What does that say to me? It says they are not mentally/maturely capable of dealing with the concept of getting pierced.

    If I was to say: “no” and the minor looked confused and just kept asking me why, as well as asked serious questions about the process,etc…Then that shows they are interested.

    And the only liability for me is kids under 16, as I’m in Canada…Which the current age for a minor to sign for themselves, choose to do what they want to do and what they don’t want to do, etc is the age of 16 years old.

    Now in the legal sense of the matter…Anyone under the age of 16 is not allowed in the procedure room with me, receiving what I do. This is all based on Age Of Consent laws that govern ANY act of Penetration(ie: we penetrate the body with a needle).

    I’m willing to help fix a minors mistake, because with that they’ll get a solid talking to, as well as they’ll be paying for my service.

    But ultimately my stance is the legal limitations on MY end…What we as an industry, the parents,etc need to do is help make their kids aware of the risks and try to not delve into Idiocracy world.

    For those who claim rites of passage,etc…We then have to evaluate EVERY SINGLE DETAIL about that rite of passage…Many of those situations involved when a child became an adult(man/woman),etc…Which back in the early years DID happen sooner than later due to life expectancy…Now that life expectancy is changing and so is the human race…We cannot compare a 14 year old now to a 14 year old 50, 100 and most definately 1000 years ago.

    Again ultimately I believe its our duty to at least EDUCATE them first…So if anything to pierce a minor…they should at least pass a consultation first, both with parent and without…and I’m not talkin a 5 minute meeting either.

    Its about not just saying NO to the minors…But more so just talking to them and making them understand what is going on with their bodies…All a minors life they have someone talk DOWN or AT them…If we just talk WITH them about the situation, personally I think we’ll see less problems occuring.

    Sorry I’m all across the board…Just this article and so much more, is stuff I deal on a DAILY basis…and it frustrates me to no end that the mind is going a mile a minute and I’m trying to bring forth ALL the issues at once lol

  35. bathory Avatar
    bathory

    This kid is fucking retarded, sure, and lots of stupid kids shove lots of stupid, dirty things in their faces, but this kid has gone beyond self preservation methods of home piercing.

    I don’t think there should be LAWS to legistlate age restrictions for modifications but I think studios should be given authority to set their own age limits and enforce them as they see fit. The studio I worked in followed the medical laws regarding consent (16+ for medical procedures without a parent/guardian) and then did 14 & 15 year olds on a case by case basis with both parents present.

    Earlobes we would do a lot younger but we assessed that on a case basis as well.

    This kid needs to watch less tv and have a parent who pays way more attention – as illustrated by the babies rumaging in the trash. Ew.

  36. bathory Avatar
    bathory

    This kid is fucking retarded, sure, and lots of stupid kids shove lots of stupid, dirty things in their faces, but this kid has gone beyond self preservation methods of home piercing.

    I don’t think there should be LAWS to legistlate age restrictions for modifications but I think studios should be given authority to set their own age limits and enforce them as they see fit. The studio I worked in followed the medical laws regarding consent (16+ for medical procedures without a parent/guardian) and then did 14 & 15 year olds on a case by case basis with both parents present.

    Earlobes we would do a lot younger but we assessed that on a case basis as well.

    This kid needs to watch less tv and have a parent who pays way more attention – as illustrated by the babies rumaging in the trash. Ew.

  37. bathory Avatar
    bathory

    This kid is fucking retarded, sure, and lots of stupid kids shove lots of stupid, dirty things in their faces, but this kid has gone beyond self preservation methods of home piercing.

    I don’t think there should be LAWS to legistlate age restrictions for modifications but I think studios should be given authority to set their own age limits and enforce them as they see fit. The studio I worked in followed the medical laws regarding consent (16+ for medical procedures without a parent/guardian) and then did 14 & 15 year olds on a case by case basis with both parents present.

    Earlobes we would do a lot younger but we assessed that on a case basis as well.

    This kid needs to watch less tv and have a parent who pays way more attention – as illustrated by the babies rumaging in the trash. Ew.

  38. bathory Avatar
    bathory

    This kid is fucking retarded, sure, and lots of stupid kids shove lots of stupid, dirty things in their faces, but this kid has gone beyond self preservation methods of home piercing.

    I don’t think there should be LAWS to legistlate age restrictions for modifications but I think studios should be given authority to set their own age limits and enforce them as they see fit. The studio I worked in followed the medical laws regarding consent (16+ for medical procedures without a parent/guardian) and then did 14 & 15 year olds on a case by case basis with both parents present.

    Earlobes we would do a lot younger but we assessed that on a case basis as well.

    This kid needs to watch less tv and have a parent who pays way more attention – as illustrated by the babies rumaging in the trash. Ew.

  39. James Avatar
    James

    I’m not claiming expertise on the subject, but it seems that this kid was either unmotivated to get educated on the subject or unable to. Either way the fact is he wasn’t educated it’s clear to see. That being said…

    My mother wasn’t the most involved parent in the world, to this day when I think of my mom’s active role in my childhood the same mental picture of her sitting in her chair drinking coffee and reading a book for hours on end always pops up (I love my mom to death, don’t get me wrong!). I pretty much was left to do whatever I wanted.

    When I was 14 a piercer and a tattoo artist from Slave to the Needle came and spoke at a library at my hometown, and a majority of the youth showed up and sat in the grass and listened to the two artists talk about what they did and the explinations that they gave.

    I noticed three types of people that walked away from that, the ones that were turned off to modifications, the ones that thought “That’s cool! I gotta get one!” and the ones that said “That’s interesting! Where can I learn more?”

    The ones that had to have piercings started showing up the very next day with safety pin piercings in their eyebrows, ears, and everything else they could see in the mirror. They didn’t want to do the research, they didn’t want to talk to anyone else, or try to find websites to get informed, they just new they wanted that look and went for it headfirst. It wasn’t because they were stupid, they were just unmotivated.

    Most of us that decided to do the extra information gathering by going to online resources, sending emails to different studios with questions, and even visiting different studios to ask questions (and get rejected for most piercing requests, lol) decided to wait.

    Then there was me. It didn’t take much looking to find out why safety pins and other home DIY methods of piercing were downright dangerous. I quickly learned that Hepatitis was a big risk, and not one I was very willing to take. Piercing studios were turning me down left and right, but I wanted a piercing!

    Sometime when I was 15 I found BME, and the site opened my eyes to a buttload of information. I started reading everything and anything I could find on piercing technique, and aftercare, and once I felt I knew enough of the basics to be able to preform one myself I ordered my first slotted forceps, sterile needle and jewelry online. The shipping time was the longest wait of my life. The day it came in, I pierced my frenum, and I couldn’t have been prouder. It was slightly crooked, a little lower on the left than on the right. But it was mine.

    I tried a lot of things out after that. I experimented with play piercing a bit on my chest and legs. I tried a few more permenant piercings, and different aftercare techniques to see what worked and what didn’t. Last December I split my tongue with a tie-off method, furthur dedicating myself to my modifications. I’m 21 now, and working on getting an apprenticeship with my tattoo shop.

    Looking back a lot of things could of went wrong, but I still feel that I was being safer than a lot of other kids I grew up with, simply because I was motivated to get informed before I leaped in. However I was impatient, I will admit that.

    I guess the point I’m trying to make is, kids are going to do things reguardless of what their parents, professionals, or the law tells them. Wether or not this kid was subject to bad parenting isn’t part of the equation. What matters is that the kid did something dangerous without thinking it thru, and without taking the time to learn anything about what he was doing. He wanted something, he went for it, changing the laws isn’t going to solve anything.

    There isn’t any solution or safe guard that anyone can put up to protect people from themselves in situations like this, it sucks, but it is what it is.

  40. James Avatar
    James

    I’m not claiming expertise on the subject, but it seems that this kid was either unmotivated to get educated on the subject or unable to. Either way the fact is he wasn’t educated it’s clear to see. That being said…

    My mother wasn’t the most involved parent in the world, to this day when I think of my mom’s active role in my childhood the same mental picture of her sitting in her chair drinking coffee and reading a book for hours on end always pops up (I love my mom to death, don’t get me wrong!). I pretty much was left to do whatever I wanted.

    When I was 14 a piercer and a tattoo artist from Slave to the Needle came and spoke at a library at my hometown, and a majority of the youth showed up and sat in the grass and listened to the two artists talk about what they did and the explinations that they gave.

    I noticed three types of people that walked away from that, the ones that were turned off to modifications, the ones that thought “That’s cool! I gotta get one!” and the ones that said “That’s interesting! Where can I learn more?”

    The ones that had to have piercings started showing up the very next day with safety pin piercings in their eyebrows, ears, and everything else they could see in the mirror. They didn’t want to do the research, they didn’t want to talk to anyone else, or try to find websites to get informed, they just new they wanted that look and went for it headfirst. It wasn’t because they were stupid, they were just unmotivated.

    Most of us that decided to do the extra information gathering by going to online resources, sending emails to different studios with questions, and even visiting different studios to ask questions (and get rejected for most piercing requests, lol) decided to wait.

    Then there was me. It didn’t take much looking to find out why safety pins and other home DIY methods of piercing were downright dangerous. I quickly learned that Hepatitis was a big risk, and not one I was very willing to take. Piercing studios were turning me down left and right, but I wanted a piercing!

    Sometime when I was 15 I found BME, and the site opened my eyes to a buttload of information. I started reading everything and anything I could find on piercing technique, and aftercare, and once I felt I knew enough of the basics to be able to preform one myself I ordered my first slotted forceps, sterile needle and jewelry online. The shipping time was the longest wait of my life. The day it came in, I pierced my frenum, and I couldn’t have been prouder. It was slightly crooked, a little lower on the left than on the right. But it was mine.

    I tried a lot of things out after that. I experimented with play piercing a bit on my chest and legs. I tried a few more permenant piercings, and different aftercare techniques to see what worked and what didn’t. Last December I split my tongue with a tie-off method, furthur dedicating myself to my modifications. I’m 21 now, and working on getting an apprenticeship with my tattoo shop.

    Looking back a lot of things could of went wrong, but I still feel that I was being safer than a lot of other kids I grew up with, simply because I was motivated to get informed before I leaped in. However I was impatient, I will admit that.

    I guess the point I’m trying to make is, kids are going to do things reguardless of what their parents, professionals, or the law tells them. Wether or not this kid was subject to bad parenting isn’t part of the equation. What matters is that the kid did something dangerous without thinking it thru, and without taking the time to learn anything about what he was doing. He wanted something, he went for it, changing the laws isn’t going to solve anything.

    There isn’t any solution or safe guard that anyone can put up to protect people from themselves in situations like this, it sucks, but it is what it is.

  41. James Avatar
    James

    I’m not claiming expertise on the subject, but it seems that this kid was either unmotivated to get educated on the subject or unable to. Either way the fact is he wasn’t educated it’s clear to see. That being said…

    My mother wasn’t the most involved parent in the world, to this day when I think of my mom’s active role in my childhood the same mental picture of her sitting in her chair drinking coffee and reading a book for hours on end always pops up (I love my mom to death, don’t get me wrong!). I pretty much was left to do whatever I wanted.

    When I was 14 a piercer and a tattoo artist from Slave to the Needle came and spoke at a library at my hometown, and a majority of the youth showed up and sat in the grass and listened to the two artists talk about what they did and the explinations that they gave.

    I noticed three types of people that walked away from that, the ones that were turned off to modifications, the ones that thought “That’s cool! I gotta get one!” and the ones that said “That’s interesting! Where can I learn more?”

    The ones that had to have piercings started showing up the very next day with safety pin piercings in their eyebrows, ears, and everything else they could see in the mirror. They didn’t want to do the research, they didn’t want to talk to anyone else, or try to find websites to get informed, they just new they wanted that look and went for it headfirst. It wasn’t because they were stupid, they were just unmotivated.

    Most of us that decided to do the extra information gathering by going to online resources, sending emails to different studios with questions, and even visiting different studios to ask questions (and get rejected for most piercing requests, lol) decided to wait.

    Then there was me. It didn’t take much looking to find out why safety pins and other home DIY methods of piercing were downright dangerous. I quickly learned that Hepatitis was a big risk, and not one I was very willing to take. Piercing studios were turning me down left and right, but I wanted a piercing!

    Sometime when I was 15 I found BME, and the site opened my eyes to a buttload of information. I started reading everything and anything I could find on piercing technique, and aftercare, and once I felt I knew enough of the basics to be able to preform one myself I ordered my first slotted forceps, sterile needle and jewelry online. The shipping time was the longest wait of my life. The day it came in, I pierced my frenum, and I couldn’t have been prouder. It was slightly crooked, a little lower on the left than on the right. But it was mine.

    I tried a lot of things out after that. I experimented with play piercing a bit on my chest and legs. I tried a few more permenant piercings, and different aftercare techniques to see what worked and what didn’t. Last December I split my tongue with a tie-off method, furthur dedicating myself to my modifications. I’m 21 now, and working on getting an apprenticeship with my tattoo shop.

    Looking back a lot of things could of went wrong, but I still feel that I was being safer than a lot of other kids I grew up with, simply because I was motivated to get informed before I leaped in. However I was impatient, I will admit that.

    I guess the point I’m trying to make is, kids are going to do things reguardless of what their parents, professionals, or the law tells them. Wether or not this kid was subject to bad parenting isn’t part of the equation. What matters is that the kid did something dangerous without thinking it thru, and without taking the time to learn anything about what he was doing. He wanted something, he went for it, changing the laws isn’t going to solve anything.

    There isn’t any solution or safe guard that anyone can put up to protect people from themselves in situations like this, it sucks, but it is what it is.

  42. James Avatar
    James

    I’m not claiming expertise on the subject, but it seems that this kid was either unmotivated to get educated on the subject or unable to. Either way the fact is he wasn’t educated it’s clear to see. That being said…

    My mother wasn’t the most involved parent in the world, to this day when I think of my mom’s active role in my childhood the same mental picture of her sitting in her chair drinking coffee and reading a book for hours on end always pops up (I love my mom to death, don’t get me wrong!). I pretty much was left to do whatever I wanted.

    When I was 14 a piercer and a tattoo artist from Slave to the Needle came and spoke at a library at my hometown, and a majority of the youth showed up and sat in the grass and listened to the two artists talk about what they did and the explinations that they gave.

    I noticed three types of people that walked away from that, the ones that were turned off to modifications, the ones that thought “That’s cool! I gotta get one!” and the ones that said “That’s interesting! Where can I learn more?”

    The ones that had to have piercings started showing up the very next day with safety pin piercings in their eyebrows, ears, and everything else they could see in the mirror. They didn’t want to do the research, they didn’t want to talk to anyone else, or try to find websites to get informed, they just new they wanted that look and went for it headfirst. It wasn’t because they were stupid, they were just unmotivated.

    Most of us that decided to do the extra information gathering by going to online resources, sending emails to different studios with questions, and even visiting different studios to ask questions (and get rejected for most piercing requests, lol) decided to wait.

    Then there was me. It didn’t take much looking to find out why safety pins and other home DIY methods of piercing were downright dangerous. I quickly learned that Hepatitis was a big risk, and not one I was very willing to take. Piercing studios were turning me down left and right, but I wanted a piercing!

    Sometime when I was 15 I found BME, and the site opened my eyes to a buttload of information. I started reading everything and anything I could find on piercing technique, and aftercare, and once I felt I knew enough of the basics to be able to preform one myself I ordered my first slotted forceps, sterile needle and jewelry online. The shipping time was the longest wait of my life. The day it came in, I pierced my frenum, and I couldn’t have been prouder. It was slightly crooked, a little lower on the left than on the right. But it was mine.

    I tried a lot of things out after that. I experimented with play piercing a bit on my chest and legs. I tried a few more permenant piercings, and different aftercare techniques to see what worked and what didn’t. Last December I split my tongue with a tie-off method, furthur dedicating myself to my modifications. I’m 21 now, and working on getting an apprenticeship with my tattoo shop.

    Looking back a lot of things could of went wrong, but I still feel that I was being safer than a lot of other kids I grew up with, simply because I was motivated to get informed before I leaped in. However I was impatient, I will admit that.

    I guess the point I’m trying to make is, kids are going to do things reguardless of what their parents, professionals, or the law tells them. Wether or not this kid was subject to bad parenting isn’t part of the equation. What matters is that the kid did something dangerous without thinking it thru, and without taking the time to learn anything about what he was doing. He wanted something, he went for it, changing the laws isn’t going to solve anything.

    There isn’t any solution or safe guard that anyone can put up to protect people from themselves in situations like this, it sucks, but it is what it is.

  43. Nicole Avatar
    Nicole

    This kid wasn’t hurt because laws forced him to take matters in to his own hands.
    He was hurt because he’s a fucking moron. Don’t try laying blame somewhere else.
    Plenty of other people give themselves peircings without problems like this, because they actually use a little bit of this thing called common sense.

  44. Nicole Avatar
    Nicole

    This kid wasn’t hurt because laws forced him to take matters in to his own hands.
    He was hurt because he’s a fucking moron. Don’t try laying blame somewhere else.
    Plenty of other people give themselves peircings without problems like this, because they actually use a little bit of this thing called common sense.

  45. Nicole Avatar
    Nicole

    This kid wasn’t hurt because laws forced him to take matters in to his own hands.
    He was hurt because he’s a fucking moron. Don’t try laying blame somewhere else.
    Plenty of other people give themselves peircings without problems like this, because they actually use a little bit of this thing called common sense.

  46. Nicole Avatar
    Nicole

    This kid wasn’t hurt because laws forced him to take matters in to his own hands.
    He was hurt because he’s a fucking moron. Don’t try laying blame somewhere else.
    Plenty of other people give themselves peircings without problems like this, because they actually use a little bit of this thing called common sense.

  47. ())crayon))> Avatar
    ())crayon))>

    Is that also another chain link in his septum?! Don’t know if this has been asked but fishing through 175 comments is going to take a hell of a long time!

    That kid is a moron whoever he is!

  48. ())crayon))> Avatar
    ())crayon))>

    Is that also another chain link in his septum?! Don’t know if this has been asked but fishing through 175 comments is going to take a hell of a long time!

    That kid is a moron whoever he is!

  49. ())crayon))> Avatar
    ())crayon))>

    Is that also another chain link in his septum?! Don’t know if this has been asked but fishing through 175 comments is going to take a hell of a long time!

    That kid is a moron whoever he is!

  50. ())crayon))> Avatar
    ())crayon))>

    Is that also another chain link in his septum?! Don’t know if this has been asked but fishing through 175 comments is going to take a hell of a long time!

    That kid is a moron whoever he is!

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