So don’t get mad at Freakboy for lifting his curious puppy Brutus during his knee suspension with Jimi and Mineiro of Diabos Mutantes in So Paulo, Brasil… Speaking of puppies…
If the dog didn’t like it, he’d bite him
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179 responses to “If the dog didn’t like it, he’d bite him”
@comment 78
As a dog matures, the skin looses that “elasticity” and pain tolerance. That is a grown dog and grabbing it by the skin WILL hurt it.
Tails are also cropped at 2 days of age, when it is virtually painless. I am against cropping, as I think it’s nothing but a way to serve a selfish purpose in which we think a dog looks the best, which is silly.
@comment 90
What does resource guarding have to do with any of this? Dog’s no not bite over food simply because they hate you, it’s because some dogs are more programmed to think if you take away food they will starve. It isn’t aggressive or malicious, it’s resource guarding which is instinctual.
@comment 97
Just because an animal tolerates something doesn’t mean they like it.
@comment 98
If the dog chose it wanted down it could very easily been dropped on the hard cement floor, damaging it’s head. Or, it could dislocate a leg bone very easily when it is dangled and hog tied. it wasn’t being hurt in the moment while it was being dangled upside down (except when he grabbed the skin).. it could result in an injury. It’s irresponsible, no matter how much a guy knows his dog.
@101 ~ I realize that. However, you don’t know if he likes it or not. When I play with my pets it’s because THEY want to play, not me.
Adding to my comment above: No one knows for sure whether the dog is enjoying himself for sure or not. It doesn’t look to me like he’s being mistreated. I also know when my pets are tolerating or enjoying. I don’t make them “tolerate” anything for the sake of my own entertainment.
Kitchee, there’s a difference between roughhousing and dangling a dog by the feet. I have no doubt that your animals enjoy roughhousing, however.. in this particular situation I said that although I do not believe the animal was being harmed in the moment of while he was being dangled, it can lead to injuries. It’s irresponsible to risk something like a dislocation or concussion from being dropped onto a cement floor.
Kelsey, you do have valid points. Thanks for stating them clearly and politely.
This is disgusting. grabbing a dog by its back skin, this IS CRUEL. and if some one from the humane society seen this they would for sure fine you and take your dog. This is just wrong you should nto own a dog. not to mention the serious damage you can do to its legs by hanging it like that.
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Poster # 14. mother dogs do not grab their pups from there, they do it at the scruff at the neck, when they are puppies, not grown dogs. and dogs dont smile, they dont know the concept of smiling. dogs are not humans
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stop generalizing and judging based on your own experiences. He knows his own damn dog. I dangle my dog by the feet like that he will go insane and I have a small dog. My other friends with much bigger pets do the same thing and there dogs love it.
@101, my aunt had her dog’s tail docked rather late in life allbeit because it had a wound that wouldn’t heal, but I’m sure other people get theirs done later on too.
But what am I saying? It’s just a mindless drooling pile anyway.
“If the dog didn’t like it, he’d bite him”
These pics made my heart go all fuzzy =]
#101 – have you ever seen two day old puppies getting their tails docked? i work in a vet clinic and i’ve held puppies during the procedure. if their screaming and squirming doesn’t indicate pain, i don’t know what does. i seriously do not know how someone can actually believe that lopping off a body part is painless. if being young means you can’t feel pain, then why do babies and puppies and kittens and any other baby animal cry if you pinch them?
i wasn’t going to get into this discussion, but after such a completely ridiculous comment as yours, i had to.
Shannon you have dropped the ball completely on this one. I have shown the picture to two vets now and both say that this dog will be in serious pain and is being abused.
Hanging a dog by it’s skin is not natural and causes great pain around the shoulders and chest. Hanging it by it’s paws causes pain around the knees and again the chest.
Both of these pictures clearly show a dog being abused and you have a responsibility to take on this matter for being the one who has published them.
If you truly care about ‘consent’ as you often do then you will be entirely aware that an inability to say NO does NOT mean yes. These dogs do not do these acts naturally and are being forced into them by their owner purely for the spectacle of the picture.
It is animal abuse pure and simple and the images have been forwarded to SPCA International for further investigation as they clearly depict dogs being abused for human entertainment.
Did you seriously believe that publishing pictures of animals being forced into acts against their will was a good move?
Your claim that if the “dogs did not like it they would bite back” is absurd as in many cases animals that have been abused by their owners can often retire into themselves scared that if they react they will receive worse treatment.
There are many ill-informed youngsters on this list who clearly believe nothing bad is taking place in the picture and are even defending it (look at the comments ffs) showing that they are completely unaware when abuse is taking place.
The owner is irresponsible for allowing their pet to be used in such manner and you should not have published this picture.
If you truly care about animals you will be repelled by this image.
If you truly care for the values that people who defined consenting body-modification stood for then you will also deplore the use of a dog in this performance.
Repulsive.
Um… come on everybody, let’s say it together!
It’s = contraction, NOT possessive
Its = possessive, NOT contraction
It’s really very simple. I learned it in first grade.
Haha… some people get worked up over animal rights. I get worked up over apostrophes.
The dog is potentially uncomfortable, or it could be potentially harmed if dropped, etc., etc. Okay, point taken.
If a soccer mom is driving her SUV, loaded with children, down the interstate, to get to practice, I think we have a similar situation. Something could happen. Those kids could potentially die in a potential accident. It’s reckless and irresponsible! DEPLORABLE! All just for the sake of getting to practice.
Those kids probably didn’t even have a choice in the matter. They were FORCED to play soccer by parents who selfishly wanted their kids to be athletic and well-rounded, like the neighbors’ kids. And those coaches should also be admonished for having the practice to begin with. And those fucking idiots who built the car, designed and paved the roads…. well… I’ll be laughing my head off when they’re all burning in hell.
Giles, I have shown this picture to 2 people, and both said the guy in this picture should be in serious pain and is probably insane for hanging from his knees by hooks. “Fucking idiot” is coincidentally how each person described him. And these are people who know what pain feels like. They are humans, mind you.
that’s fuckin’ stupid!!!!!!
#113 The man in the photo has a choice whether to be suspended or not and has made the decision himself.
The dog has been forced into the situation purely to satiate the owner.
Garsh, since I’m still staring at this page every time I walk back in the room, I’ll make one more comment:
Um, the first picture does NOT show a dog completely off the ground. It looks like the guy’s right hand is probably holding the head/neck/shoulders/sternum, lifting the dog’s front legs off the ground. The guy’s left arm is grabbing the skin to ensure the dog doesn’t move too much (since the guy is suspending, you know…).
The dog’s back feet are pretty clearly planted on the ground. Where did all these commenters get the impression that the dog is being entirely lifted by its loose skin?
@111
Actually, I have. MANY breeders do this by themselves. They are very experienced and yes, it IS less painful when they are at a such a young age. If you looked, .. I do not believe in docking. I know it isn’t going to be completely painless, I’m not stupid.
Giles, I only made that comment to point out that individuals are … well, different. Different people have different pain thresholds. So do animals.
It’s likely true that nobody here knows that dog better than its owner. It’s possible that the guy in this photo knows that his particular unique dog doesn’t mind such things, even though other different dogs might mind, or might even be injured.
I’m an animal lover. I hate seeing animals abused. This doesn’t even come close, in my opinion. If someone really has some evidence that all dogs of this breed, no matter what, will all be injured when held by their legs like this, then I’ll change part of my opinion; but even then, it’s still not enough to count as abuse. The owner would have to be acting maliciously for there to be abuse.
Let’s be realistic. Never assume malice when there are more likely explanations. And never forget that humans and other living things have a very complex relationship. We eat them for fuck’s sake. We very probably wouldn’t exist as a species today if our ancestors hadn’t consumed great quantities of furry animals; or if they hadn’t “abused” animals for labor, clothing, shelter, etc. We’d probably all be dying from mysterious diseases (in far greater numbers) if it weren’t for some of the animal testing which has improved our knowledge of biology and toxicology. Yes, there are questionable practices. Yes, there are abuses. Yes, there are lines to be drawn, and yes, those lines will change as our circumstances change. Black and white thinking just doesn’t make any sense in such a dynamic place like reality.
Giles,
Thankyou so much for putting into words so much better than me about this whole situation.
Its so nice to see someone who realises an animal has feelings just like a human being, though I seriously doubt some people have feelings at all, except for their own well being.
You expressed the point I was trying to make, very well, when an animal loves its owner it does tolerate a lot more, or simply retires into itself.
It’s a shame the RSPCA wasnt present to give an unbiased opinion. I’m sure the owner would have been firmly put in his place.
Horatio – It wasn’t my belief that the animals were being abused, it was that of 2 different vets who believed that the practices taking place would cause injury to the dog. I actually sought their opinion as my own was similar to yours. It was their ‘expert’ opinion on the welfare of animals that made up my mind that the dog was being made to take part in a practice that would cause it harm and was only being used as a spectacle for the viewer.
The dog would only ever get a negative experience from this activity and it was being done against the dog’s will and nature.
When I first started reading about O Kee Pa ceremonies it was clear that the whole experience was about celebration of animals (buffalo) and certainly not this crass use of an animal which resembles something akin to a circus stunt.
There is a huge difference between an animal being celebrated because of what they give us (food, warmth etc) and the use of an animal simply because it is there and makes a good picture.
Embress – The Canadian Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals have been given this photo to look at to see if they believe the dog is being abused or exploited.
Remember also that many people who comment on MODBLOG are not very old so their opinions may take a few more years to shape so do not worry about being verbally abused by them.
When their arguments are poorly formed and less than convincing they will turn to abuse and profanity. Best to simply rise above it.
You’re kidding me right? This is obviously NOT abuse to an animal… Abuse to an animal would be cutting him up in little pieces or you know starving him, keeping him from vet appts for routine care, stuff like that.
I think it’s ridiculus just as said on mod blog the dog would be biting and could definitaly get down if he really wanted to…..
Hey Giles, don’t you think maybe trying to talk “above” us and saying younger people don’t have informed opinions is a bit, I don’t know…. immature?
I agree with the post above me, like I have been saying throughout. Everyone is saying this dog is being abused, and recently using the idea he has “retreated into himself”. But his dog looks perfectly healthy, well nourished… I think if he had been subject to real abuse, he might be in a bit worse condition. I don’t think he would “retreat into himself” after one time of being held upside down.
That said, how do you know for sure he is feeling pain? Have you personally wired into the pain centers of his brain and tested? All of you assume he is in terrible pain and it boils down to the caption… if he didn’t like it, HE WOULD BITE HIM.
Dogs don’t always sit there and take it.
There was a comment a while back, something to the effect of: Don’t assume malice when you could substitute idiocy. So I don’t remember it exactly. Anyway, the point is that he’s not doing it to hurt the dumb mutt, he’s doing it to have some fun, and presumably let the furry beast have some fun too. I can’t imagine anyone will take away his dog, or even spend the time getting ahold of him to reprimand him because of one incident of non-malicious possibly harmful behaviour. Really, unless he’s daily grabbing the mongrel by the feet and spining in circles whirling dirvish style I don’t see a problem.
well dont feel bad. shortly after this brutal display of animal abuse the dog was takin out back and shot in the head to end its suffering. nobody can hurt it anymore.
“There was a comment a while back, something to the effect of: Don’t assume malice when you could substitute idiocy. ”
Yeah, I think that applies well to this situation, but I think I come to different conclusions from it than you do. He doesn’t have to have malicious intent if he’s just being stoopid about his dog, and it’s pretty clear to me that he’s being stoopid.
Yes, animals can tell us when they don’t like something. How? Not only by biting, that’s a ridiculously oversimplifiied idea of animal communication.
This dog is in fact clearly ‘saying’ that he doesn’t like the experience by his submissive and frightened body language. Even though his tail is docked, you can see that the muscles to bring it between his legs are contracted. His ears are laid back. I bet his eyes were showing whites.
This only makes it more frustrating and sad to me in some ways, because by remaining in a state of more subtle communication than yipping, biting or wriggling frantically, the dog is showing that he trusts his owner to READ those communications, and the owner has dropped the ball and violated that trust.
No, it’s not skinning him alive, pulling his legs out of his sockets, chopping him into bits or lighting him on fire. I too doubt the authorities would remove the dog from this owner. Does it really have to be that extreme to make it a bad idea to do, and a bad idea to show as something cute?
We know that dogs feel fear. It’s a shame that a dog that trusts its owner was subjected unneccessarily to fear. Not all abuse is physical and regardless of whether this guy intended to abuse his dog, being placed in stressful and frightening situations is abuse of a certain low grade. It really is a pet owner’s responsibility to be better at reading their pet’s cues than this kind of garbage.
I don’t really see any muscle contraction… his ears are back because they are floppy, gravity is pulling them down. As far as upside down dogs go, he looks pretty chill to me.
And also… its stUpid, not stOOpid.
Yes, I’m aware that the standard spelling is “stupid”.
“Remember also that many people who comment on MODBLOG are not very old so their opinions may take a few more years to shape so do not worry about being verbally abused by them.”
And how old are you ?
Then you’re aware that you look stupid spelling it stoopid?
I’m aware that you don’t look too great making comments like that.
JenO33 – I think it is silly that he’s basing our (apparently wrong) opinions on our age, just because they don’t align with what he thinks is correct.
Kristin – It’s hard to take opinions seriously with silly spelling.
LOCK SHANNON UP!
GIVE HIM THE CHAIR!
SHUT DOWN MODBLOG!
I CAN’T BELIEVE HE WOULD POST THESE PICTURES!
OMG!
OMFG!
AND FOR THE OWNER, WELL THE NUCE OF HIM!!
or..
you all could just stop bitching about nothing.
jesus people.
oh and by the way, doesn’t it look like the dog in about to start licking him in the pic on the left?
anyone other than me think that?
maybe he..DUN DUN DUN…
likes it?
sry, I mean the pic to the right.
Jp
Sorry dosnt look that way to me.
I would say the dog is thinking, just because you’re hung like a piece of meat on hooks, dosnt mean to say I want to be hung upside down also !!
Gangrene, I just had to laugh at his comment.
Mmm, dog meat.
I just don’t see why it’s necessary to waste so much energy on a situation where if any “abuse” might have been happening, it was very likely unintentional… when there’s, you know, starving dogs locked in peoples’ backyards and such. Oh, and starving people.
And wars and stuff.
Not to say that the small issues are unimportant, just… this one is far less severe.
If severe at all, which I believe it isn’t. At all.
And for the record, I find it hard to believe that any dog owner hasn’t unintentionally frightened or angered their dog (even just a little bit!) at some point in its life.
…Another reminder to never read the comments, I guess. Unfortunately.
How cute!
personally, I think it looks like the dog is gonna lick him too 😛
@129
Just because the ears are floppy doesn’t mean they don’t have muscle in them. The ears are infact down and close to the head, signalling submission and fear. If he didn’t have them to his head they would be hanging a lot losely.
haha..
look how it evolved
anyways like i said very nice suspension, cute dog 🙂
Just one quick thing I’d like to point out – there are two separate pictures here, and two different holds on the dog. If Freakboy lifted Brutus one way and Brutus didn’t like it, he would not have stuck around to be lifted in the second way. Dogs are vicious in their play – they break skin and tear it up with each other. That’s just how they are – I mean, I like it rough too, you know?
Oh, and thanks to Freakboy for the amazing photos!
i dont think that a puppy is being abused here- i mean it looks a bit rude how the guy is pulling his skin, but in the 2nd pic its obvious to me that the pup is fully trusting his owner and seems very relaxed (maybe a bit anxious about whats happening ^^ so cute) but this certainly doesnt show any kind of animal abuse!!! its a loving daddy and his puppy fooling around- and its cute!
Comment @ 142
‘I just don’t see why it’s necessary to waste so much energy on a situation’
It amazes me the amount of people who are moaning about its not necessary to respond to this posting. Then why are you all wasting time out of your precious lives to give it the time of day??
Most of the other suspension postings get very little response.
What some people have to realise is we are all different, thats what makes the world gel together. A lot of us are simply outraged at the above pictures, thats just the way we are, its called ‘loving animals’.
Plus we all have different levels of whats acceptable.
Embress do not worry about those people who have no values on this subject.
This has been clearly marked as exploitation and abuse by 3 professional vets now and as such the commentary on what constitutes abuse has been decided by those who know rather than those who don’t.