You can read the full story here, but the short version is this child molester killed a ten year old (“Katie”), and while imprisoned, relatives of hers got their hands on him and tattooed some of their pain onto his head. Not that it should be enjoyable, but he’s definitely not going to be enjoying his time in jail. The sad part is that now if he’s killed in prison, his family could have a winning lawsuit against Katie’s family. (Thanks to Tolley for the tip.)
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150 responses to ““Katie’s Revenge””
I agree with Christine.
I saw on the dutch news that a woman who’s kid was been molested by a pedophile, she followed him around Holland, and everytime he got a new place, she would ring the doorbell at EVERY house in the neighbourhood to inform them that he was a pedophile. He is pressing charges against her, but i’ll doubt if he’ll win.
I agree with Christine.
I saw on the dutch news that a woman who’s kid was been molested by a pedophile, she followed him around Holland, and everytime he got a new place, she would ring the doorbell at EVERY house in the neighbourhood to inform them that he was a pedophile. He is pressing charges against her, but i’ll doubt if he’ll win.
AshPlant and Ribibe win the thread. Everyone else can go home now.
AshPlant and Ribibe win the thread. Everyone else can go home now.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15048076/
the guards who took the photo got fired.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15048076/
the guards who took the photo got fired.
Why assume that this has not happened to those of us who are arguing against torture and mutiliation? How do you know I haven’t been molested in my life?
The reason I think this should be handled by society in a calm manner is BECAUSE I am the survivor of some fairly major early childhood abuse. And back when I was a kid, in the early 70′s, there wasn’t much in the way of mandatory reporting laws. My parents just took my brother and me to a different ER every time we would need medical attention. The nurses, I guess would gossip or look askance, but no one knew exactly what to do about it. No one felt it was their place.
Why? Because at the time it was considered something private. Something the family should deal with on their own. “Don’t get involved.” “A man’s house is his castle.” “It’s none of my business.” “Somebody closer to the family will deal with it.”
Today, because as a matter of law we no longer believe that justice and retribution should be decided and dispensed by randomly angry relatives and friends, our society has a much higher rate of reporting abuse.
I would give anything to have had a sane, calm, level headed third party step into my family and put a stop to what I went through. If, say, an uncle or a cousin had simply beat the tar out of my father or tattooed “child abuser” on his forehead, that would not have helped me in any way whatsoever. In fact, it probably would have only reinforced the generational cycle of violence in my family. A cycle I have only broken by setting my anger aside and learning some degree of forgiveness, if not forgetting.
If you want people to behave like wild animals violently preying on one another, then behave like an animal. If you want people to behave civilly, then behave civilly. Be the change you want to see in the world.
Why assume that this has not happened to those of us who are arguing against torture and mutiliation? How do you know I haven’t been molested in my life?
The reason I think this should be handled by society in a calm manner is BECAUSE I am the survivor of some fairly major early childhood abuse. And back when I was a kid, in the early 70′s, there wasn’t much in the way of mandatory reporting laws. My parents just took my brother and me to a different ER every time we would need medical attention. The nurses, I guess would gossip or look askance, but no one knew exactly what to do about it. No one felt it was their place.
Why? Because at the time it was considered something private. Something the family should deal with on their own. “Don’t get involved.” “A man’s house is his castle.” “It’s none of my business.” “Somebody closer to the family will deal with it.”
Today, because as a matter of law we no longer believe that justice and retribution should be decided and dispensed by randomly angry relatives and friends, our society has a much higher rate of reporting abuse.
I would give anything to have had a sane, calm, level headed third party step into my family and put a stop to what I went through. If, say, an uncle or a cousin had simply beat the tar out of my father or tattooed “child abuser” on his forehead, that would not have helped me in any way whatsoever. In fact, it probably would have only reinforced the generational cycle of violence in my family. A cycle I have only broken by setting my anger aside and learning some degree of forgiveness, if not forgetting.
If you want people to behave like wild animals violently preying on one another, then behave like an animal. If you want people to behave civilly, then behave civilly. Be the change you want to see in the world.
Nosimplehighway, I did assume those arguing against were not victims and for that I apologize. Obviously you’ve learned to deal with your anger and become a better person for it.
As for your dad being tattooed not helping you in any way and needing a sane third party in your life then, you’re absolutely right. Your calm words shame me.
I completely go off my rocker when the topic of pedophiles come up because I truly believe that these people are evil. I don’t think I will ever change my mind about that.
I’m glad you’ve found peace in your life.
Nosimplehighway, I did assume those arguing against were not victims and for that I apologize. Obviously you’ve learned to deal with your anger and become a better person for it.
As for your dad being tattooed not helping you in any way and needing a sane third party in your life then, you’re absolutely right. Your calm words shame me.
I completely go off my rocker when the topic of pedophiles come up because I truly believe that these people are evil. I don’t think I will ever change my mind about that.
I’m glad you’ve found peace in your life.
kitchee- maybe they don’t ask for help because they know people will react like this.
kitchee- maybe they don’t ask for help because they know people will react like this.
This is wrong. We have the justice system because violent personal revenge is not a morally acceptable way of governing society.
We already do brand these people for life. Ever heard of the sex offender registry?
This is wrong. We have the justice system because violent personal revenge is not a morally acceptable way of governing society.
We already do brand these people for life. Ever heard of the sex offender registry?
I think this speaks for any person who dares to take out their disgusting evil on an innocent child
Usually, I’d say that this man is already branded a rapist, that being in prison is punishment enough. But being abused as a child myself, and still having every horrible meory of it come back every fucking day is more than I can bear. I think it’s a good way for him to wake up every day and to see that reminder, as it’s as permanent as the memories of the child’s abuse and every day of torment the family of this child in particular, Katie, go through becaus etheir daughter was killed because of this sick bastard’s cruelty
Abusing a child sexually is unspeakable evil as it is, but killing her is just sick beyond my belief. As someone who has to go through the memories every day of what happened to her, what Katie went through is worse. My attacker got off because I was too afraid to fight back, and I just didn’t understand just how serious it was. If I was able I’d tell each and every person he knows that he abused more than one child while we were in his care
I don’t feel any sympathy for this bastard – it sevres him the fuck right. He got off lightly for what he did to Katie, and that makes me so angry
I think this speaks for any person who dares to take out their disgusting evil on an innocent child
Usually, I’d say that this man is already branded a rapist, that being in prison is punishment enough. But being abused as a child myself, and still having every horrible meory of it come back every fucking day is more than I can bear. I think it’s a good way for him to wake up every day and to see that reminder, as it’s as permanent as the memories of the child’s abuse and every day of torment the family of this child in particular, Katie, go through becaus etheir daughter was killed because of this sick bastard’s cruelty
Abusing a child sexually is unspeakable evil as it is, but killing her is just sick beyond my belief. As someone who has to go through the memories every day of what happened to her, what Katie went through is worse. My attacker got off because I was too afraid to fight back, and I just didn’t understand just how serious it was. If I was able I’d tell each and every person he knows that he abused more than one child while we were in his care
I don’t feel any sympathy for this bastard – it sevres him the fuck right. He got off lightly for what he did to Katie, and that makes me so angry
he deserved it, and worse
he deserved it, and worse
Like Nosimplehiway and Ribibe say, the problems caused by this sort of abuse are far, far larger than the abuser.
The fact that you could brand the bastard, cut his balls off, kill him and his family and cats and bury them in a shallow grave not only reduces you to a similar level, it doesn’t eliminate the problem. It still happened and the sufferer still has to deal with it.
The point I was trying to make earlier also covers the fact that once you start allowing individual people to make decisions like that, there’s nothing to stop anyone taking that sort of revenge. There are people who sincerely believe that gays are no better than child molesters, and would gladly administer the same shit to them on a first come first served basis. There’s just no way to draw the line.
Hence the bloody justice system, people, which is dealing with this sort of thing better than in hiway’s day.
Like Nosimplehiway and Ribibe say, the problems caused by this sort of abuse are far, far larger than the abuser.
The fact that you could brand the bastard, cut his balls off, kill him and his family and cats and bury them in a shallow grave not only reduces you to a similar level, it doesn’t eliminate the problem. It still happened and the sufferer still has to deal with it.
The point I was trying to make earlier also covers the fact that once you start allowing individual people to make decisions like that, there’s nothing to stop anyone taking that sort of revenge. There are people who sincerely believe that gays are no better than child molesters, and would gladly administer the same shit to them on a first come first served basis. There’s just no way to draw the line.
Hence the bloody justice system, people, which is dealing with this sort of thing better than in hiway’s day.
I totally agree with kitchee.
I totally agree with kitchee.
Why don’t we start cutting of the fingers/hands of thief’s?
Why don’t we start cutting of the fingers/hands of thief’s?
Well
Maybe all molesters should have a tatto on the head so we will know who they are !!!
or kill them hmmmmm if you molest a kid you forfit your life
Well
Maybe all molesters should have a tatto on the head so we will know who they are !!!
or kill them hmmmmm if you molest a kid you forfit your life
Why don’t we start comparing repressive government policies to isolated incidents of murderous kid-fuckers getting their asses kicked?
Why don’t we start comparing repressive government policies to isolated incidents of murderous kid-fuckers getting their asses kicked?
I hope someone eventually goes back over it to make sure the ink sticks…there have been lots of good points made about this and yes pedophiles (that have’nt acted out) should get counciling (like drug addicts) but this fuck raped and killed a 10 year old girl! she had ten short years to live untill this fucking sleazy piece of shit came along and put her through hell before taking her life! for someone to say that this man deserves mercy is so fucking insane it blows my mind. Stop wasting taxpayers money to keep this fuck alive in jail and put a bullet in his head.
I hope someone eventually goes back over it to make sure the ink sticks…there have been lots of good points made about this and yes pedophiles (that have’nt acted out) should get counciling (like drug addicts) but this fuck raped and killed a 10 year old girl! she had ten short years to live untill this fucking sleazy piece of shit came along and put her through hell before taking her life! for someone to say that this man deserves mercy is so fucking insane it blows my mind. Stop wasting taxpayers money to keep this fuck alive in jail and put a bullet in his head.
While I’m not advocating what he did, his actions were informed by his interaction with society – as all ours are. To single him out even further is a little avoidant of a deeper issue.
His choices were negative in their effect on others around him, particularly the little girl, but now he has had other people’s choices effect him negatively as well.
There are better ways to deal with such heinous acts against life.
Not to mention that I think all people can learn to be in society in more positive ways, and having such a mark eliminates that possibility for him in the future (yeah he could have it removed, but until then – if at all).
While I’m not advocating what he did, his actions were informed by his interaction with society – as all ours are. To single him out even further is a little avoidant of a deeper issue.
His choices were negative in their effect on others around him, particularly the little girl, but now he has had other people’s choices effect him negatively as well.
There are better ways to deal with such heinous acts against life.
Not to mention that I think all people can learn to be in society in more positive ways, and having such a mark eliminates that possibility for him in the future (yeah he could have it removed, but until then – if at all).
I wonder if, if this man was ever killed, beaten, or tortured to death by fellow inmates, would he then become a martyr or folk hero of sorts with people getting his portrait tattooed on them just to piss other people off.
I wonder if, if this man was ever killed, beaten, or tortured to death by fellow inmates, would he then become a martyr or folk hero of sorts with people getting his portrait tattooed on them just to piss other people off.
All the arguements about state approved torture are irrelavent. The state didn’t do this to him, the other prisoners did. Even in prison there is some sort of moral code, and in this case the line is drawn at child molestation and murder.
All the arguements about state approved torture are irrelavent. The state didn’t do this to him, the other prisoners did. Even in prison there is some sort of moral code, and in this case the line is drawn at child molestation and murder.
I figure – why bother to waste the time and energy to tattoo/brand to molesters of this fucked up world that we live in and just take those people and shoot them in the back of the head!
Yeah, I can see it from both sides (sucks to be labeled) but I could still give a shit about this “man” and what would happen to him while in jail. It makes me think twice about having kids. Cause believe me, if ANYONE ever touched my step-son in a sexual way while he was under age – I would not think twice and dragging the son of a bitch down to the cop station and beating that person to within an inch of their live and made sure that I was arrested for it.
I live in Canada where we are all suppose to be nice and say sorry for everything that happens even when we had nothing to do with it. But my thoughts about men/women that decide that underage boys/girls are sexual “fair game” is fucking sick.
Yeah, you could help those people that think that a 12 year old is “begging” for sex because they bat their eyes, but do you think that will really help? I don’t even agree with allowing these people out of jail and back into the real world AND I don’t agree with “cutting their balls off” because this sickness is not contained is the guys nutsack. It’s in his head!!! You could cut off his entire penis but that still leaves him with a sick mind and hands that are able to penetrate a child OR to hold something to aid with the penetration.
The thoughts of harm and the sickness lives within the brain – so shoot him/her there! Fuck the tattoo!
I figure – why bother to waste the time and energy to tattoo/brand to molesters of this fucked up world that we live in and just take those people and shoot them in the back of the head!
Yeah, I can see it from both sides (sucks to be labeled) but I could still give a shit about this “man” and what would happen to him while in jail. It makes me think twice about having kids. Cause believe me, if ANYONE ever touched my step-son in a sexual way while he was under age – I would not think twice and dragging the son of a bitch down to the cop station and beating that person to within an inch of their live and made sure that I was arrested for it.
I live in Canada where we are all suppose to be nice and say sorry for everything that happens even when we had nothing to do with it. But my thoughts about men/women that decide that underage boys/girls are sexual “fair game” is fucking sick.
Yeah, you could help those people that think that a 12 year old is “begging” for sex because they bat their eyes, but do you think that will really help? I don’t even agree with allowing these people out of jail and back into the real world AND I don’t agree with “cutting their balls off” because this sickness is not contained is the guys nutsack. It’s in his head!!! You could cut off his entire penis but that still leaves him with a sick mind and hands that are able to penetrate a child OR to hold something to aid with the penetration.
The thoughts of harm and the sickness lives within the brain – so shoot him/her there! Fuck the tattoo!
ChopperMark hit the nail on the head.
And no, I have absolutely no sympathy for this guy. I hate to say it, but what those prisoners did to him really wasn’t all that harsh. Yes, it was a violation of his person, but I can think of MUCH worse ones… It’s not like they castrated him or removed some other body part. He isn’t physically incapable of taking care of his own hygiene/feeding himself because of their actions (a shame, really, except for the fact that the taxpayer would have to foot the bill for his needs…).
Oh, and I quite like Super Muffin’s last comment. Go ahead, call me one of those base, violent animal bastards. I promise you, I’ll sleep very well tonight.
ChopperMark hit the nail on the head.
And no, I have absolutely no sympathy for this guy. I hate to say it, but what those prisoners did to him really wasn’t all that harsh. Yes, it was a violation of his person, but I can think of MUCH worse ones… It’s not like they castrated him or removed some other body part. He isn’t physically incapable of taking care of his own hygiene/feeding himself because of their actions (a shame, really, except for the fact that the taxpayer would have to foot the bill for his needs…).
Oh, and I quite like Super Muffin’s last comment. Go ahead, call me one of those base, violent animal bastards. I promise you, I’ll sleep very well tonight.
“Revenge” is an interesting word choice. I thought a jilted lover had done it before reading the article.
I mean, if they really wanted to get the point across, they should have written/tattooed “Rapist” or “Murderer.”
I guess Christine basically said the same thing already…
“Revenge” is an interesting word choice. I thought a jilted lover had done it before reading the article.
I mean, if they really wanted to get the point across, they should have written/tattooed “Rapist” or “Murderer.”
I guess Christine basically said the same thing already…
i think in a civil society we’f either find something constructive to do with these people,or we’d kill them because keeping someone in jail for years and years,and then releasing them isn’t exactly going to change anything(within them especially).my cousin was in jail for 15 yrs for a crime and came out and now 2 years later he’s back in there with a 20 year sentence.
i think in a civil society we’f either find something constructive to do with these people,or we’d kill them because keeping someone in jail for years and years,and then releasing them isn’t exactly going to change anything(within them especially).my cousin was in jail for 15 yrs for a crime and came out and now 2 years later he’s back in there with a 20 year sentence.
I’ve had some shitty things happen to me in my life, but I don’t feel that revenge will make me feel any better about what happened. It doesn’t change that fact that something did happen. All it does is create more pain. Maybe that’s the social worker in me, but I don’t see what it solves. Most of these people have serious psychological problems, so why not treat the problem instead of the symptom. Fucking up their face doesn’t really do anyone any good, and it certainly won’t bring back the little girl.
I’ve had some shitty things happen to me in my life, but I don’t feel that revenge will make me feel any better about what happened. It doesn’t change that fact that something did happen. All it does is create more pain. Maybe that’s the social worker in me, but I don’t see what it solves. Most of these people have serious psychological problems, so why not treat the problem instead of the symptom. Fucking up their face doesn’t really do anyone any good, and it certainly won’t bring back the little girl.
To all those who are arguing for fair treatment of the rapist because “HE is a person too” : I believe he gave up his rights as a human being the minute he was found guilty.
Also, i just thought everyone should see this quote:
‘Terry Gray, a Collman family friend told Eyewitness News, “… In the early interviews they have with him when he was in prison, when he first got there, it was kind of like a vacation to him, wasn’t too bad at all. So I’d say he probably has a change of heart about that now.”‘
http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=5468772
To all those who are arguing for fair treatment of the rapist because “HE is a person too” : I believe he gave up his rights as a human being the minute he was found guilty.
Also, i just thought everyone should see this quote:
‘Terry Gray, a Collman family friend told Eyewitness News, “… In the early interviews they have with him when he was in prison, when he first got there, it was kind of like a vacation to him, wasn’t too bad at all. So I’d say he probably has a change of heart about that now.”‘
http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=5468772
Shooting him would be far too easy! I think he deserves what he got and alot more, got no sympathy for him or any other bastards like him. Totally with kitchee on this one.
Shooting him would be far too easy! I think he deserves what he got and alot more, got no sympathy for him or any other bastards like him. Totally with kitchee on this one.