I was reading about the bizarre anti-emo riots in Mexico, as well as Sophie Lancaster who was killed for being goth, and was thinking about how strange it is for people who in theory should be on the same side attacking each other. Although I suppose that’s always been one of the ways how the upper class stays in power — by tricking everyone else into fighting with each other. Anyway, I don’t know why all that really made me think of juxtaposing these two photos, but Yael writes of the photos below (including her boyfriend Nuke), that “While some people think that Israel is a desert where people have camels instead of cars, I have some pictures to prove them wrong.”
On the other end of the Israeli social spectrum, Hasson sent in his “Wicked” tattoo — perhaps I am wrong, but I’m guessing he’s more into kicking ass than picking flowers.
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Israel is the best fucking place ever and you should ALL come visit!! XD
Israel is the best fucking place ever and you should ALL come visit!! XD
#26 – sure, the minute Israel gets out of the occupied territories and pulls down the wall that separates the Palestinians into their own little townships and generally starts behaving like the liberal democracy it claims to be, I’ll come visit. Until then, the boycott remains.
#26 – sure, the minute Israel gets out of the occupied territories and pulls down the wall that separates the Palestinians into their own little townships and generally starts behaving like the liberal democracy it claims to be, I’ll come visit. Until then, the boycott remains.
**DROOL**
Hassam is the H-A-W-T-N-E-S-S!!!!!!!
**DROOL**
Hassam is the H-A-W-T-N-E-S-S!!!!!!!
Violence against emos by the punks and goths?? sort of like the nazi rainbow unicorn tattoo?
but honestly nothing surprises me anymore. except that it took 27 comments before some one brought up the whole Israeli-Palestinian issue.
Violence against emos by the punks and goths?? sort of like the nazi rainbow unicorn tattoo?
but honestly nothing surprises me anymore. except that it took 27 comments before some one brought up the whole Israeli-Palestinian issue.
#27-
Not that I am in any way getting into this political debate, but let me just say this..
when I was 14 my dad told me to never fight or stand up for a cause I don’t fully understand. I suggest that you respect the fact that you have nothing to do with the condition of either palestinians or israelis, and that you don’t live here, or know the whole story, or in general have any idea what the supposed occupation started at, and don’t talk about things you don’t really have the full objective knawledge of. I in no way disrespect your view or am even saying your’e wrong (neither right obviously), i’m just saying you shouldn’t yell “facist” at every news story you see.
#27-
Not that I am in any way getting into this political debate, but let me just say this..
when I was 14 my dad told me to never fight or stand up for a cause I don’t fully understand. I suggest that you respect the fact that you have nothing to do with the condition of either palestinians or israelis, and that you don’t live here, or know the whole story, or in general have any idea what the supposed occupation started at, and don’t talk about things you don’t really have the full objective knawledge of. I in no way disrespect your view or am even saying your’e wrong (neither right obviously), i’m just saying you shouldn’t yell “facist” at every news story you see.
I’ll go visit if I can drool on Hassam in person. He can be as wicked as he wants.
I’ll go visit if I can drool on Hassam in person. He can be as wicked as he wants.
that article on young sophie lancaster was heartbreaking…she looked so happy in her picture…the ironic thing is that people like sophie and her boyfriend are the ones that get the reputations for being violent/aggressive…
that article on young sophie lancaster was heartbreaking…she looked so happy in her picture…the ironic thing is that people like sophie and her boyfriend are the ones that get the reputations for being violent/aggressive…
Hey, number 32 – you assume a lot about a person based on a two-sentence comment. You don’t know me, where I’m from, what I know and why I hold the opinions that I do, so I’d thank you to keep your opinions that are essentially made up of thin air to yourself.
And I’ve re-read my post and I do not see the word “fascist” in there anywhere, so either engage with what I’ve written and not what you want to see, or STFU…
peace…
Hey, number 32 – you assume a lot about a person based on a two-sentence comment. You don’t know me, where I’m from, what I know and why I hold the opinions that I do, so I’d thank you to keep your opinions that are essentially made up of thin air to yourself.
And I’ve re-read my post and I do not see the word “fascist” in there anywhere, so either engage with what I’ve written and not what you want to see, or STFU…
peace…
sorry – that’s no. 30, not no, 32…my bad…
sorry – that’s no. 30, not no, 32…my bad…
The wierd thing in mexico for someone looking in from England, is that over in the UK rockers, technos, hippies, Goths and Emo’s are all pretty much the same. our counterpart is the towny, trendy, chav. It just make strange reading rockers picking on Emo and in such organised numbers! Years ago it was Mods vs Rockers this followed days of rockabilli vs townies always the alternative as had main stream aggressors.
The Sophie Lancaster case is the extreme of this aggression. Unfortunately it was bound to happen, and a tragedy it is. Townies or chavs are a vocal minority of unruly types. Each of these groups has its extremes this time it was deadly, although living in the UK it feels like they are becoming more the norm, unruly , obnoxious groups ruling by fear and force.
The wierd thing in mexico for someone looking in from England, is that over in the UK rockers, technos, hippies, Goths and Emo’s are all pretty much the same. our counterpart is the towny, trendy, chav. It just make strange reading rockers picking on Emo and in such organised numbers! Years ago it was Mods vs Rockers this followed days of rockabilli vs townies always the alternative as had main stream aggressors.
The Sophie Lancaster case is the extreme of this aggression. Unfortunately it was bound to happen, and a tragedy it is. Townies or chavs are a vocal minority of unruly types. Each of these groups has its extremes this time it was deadly, although living in the UK it feels like they are becoming more the norm, unruly , obnoxious groups ruling by fear and force.
#33 – i have no idea how well you know the situation with the Palestinians here in israel, but you need to understand that there are two sides to this story. i used to be against the wall, but after i realized that the number of terror attacks reduced and i can actually go to the mall without saying goodbye to my loved ones – i did’nt know what to think any more.
i know that the palestinians have enough reasones to hate israel’s governmnent, but is it realy everybody’s falt?
do i deserve to die becouse my government decided to build the wall or to bomb a terrorist?
people are being killed every day, on both sides, and there is a solution needed – but terror is not the answer. neither does occupation or a stupid wall.
and in conection to what you originally said – if you do visit israel you will find enough pro-palestinians israelies that would be happy to go and protest against the wall or the army or against israel in general(:
anyway, israel is amazing, regardless everything you think about it. you really should come and vizit..
#33 – i have no idea how well you know the situation with the Palestinians here in israel, but you need to understand that there are two sides to this story. i used to be against the wall, but after i realized that the number of terror attacks reduced and i can actually go to the mall without saying goodbye to my loved ones – i did’nt know what to think any more.
i know that the palestinians have enough reasones to hate israel’s governmnent, but is it realy everybody’s falt?
do i deserve to die becouse my government decided to build the wall or to bomb a terrorist?
people are being killed every day, on both sides, and there is a solution needed – but terror is not the answer. neither does occupation or a stupid wall.
and in conection to what you originally said – if you do visit israel you will find enough pro-palestinians israelies that would be happy to go and protest against the wall or the army or against israel in general(:
anyway, israel is amazing, regardless everything you think about it. you really should come and vizit..
Paul, I was being fairly polite considering you were basicaly bashing my country, and your’e being nothing but an asshole.
I Wasn’t going to get into the political debate in this but your’e just asking it so here we go.
Israel did not occupy, israel is a country, given to us by law and in a fair manner. we have seen our mothers, mothers, grandparents, children and so on die in restaurants, malls etc because of suicide bombs for years. I don;t know if you have any idea what that’s like, living when everyday something awful like that happens and you start calling every single person you know to check up if theyr’e alive or not.
I Love how one terrorist act on the united states makes right of an entire war (both on a nation and on democracy in general) but Israel lives in constant fear of terror, has it’s children die in the army, and none of it justifies any action we take. please. i’m not saying wer’e entirely right, nor am I saying that palestinians are. each saide has it’s bad people and good people. in cases of war you sometimes don’t get the privilage of making that distinction. and every country makes military mistakes- but Israel is in no way intentionally killing innocent people (in fact, in many cases we take greater risk to our own soldiers in order to minimize innocent casualties in military opporations).
we are not the evil occupier many TV channels make us up to be, you need to remember that this is our country. we want to be fair, but this is a very delicate situation. because it is, we would appreciate it if everybody around would shut the hell up while both sides try to fix it instead of causing more problems for everyone.
Any problems between us, only Israel and the palestinians will take care of them, and several individuals brought into the matter. everyone else should just mind their own wars and keep quiet while the affiliated sides talk between them.
oh and also, just for being rude Paul dear, shut the fuck up.
Paul, I was being fairly polite considering you were basicaly bashing my country, and your’e being nothing but an asshole.
I Wasn’t going to get into the political debate in this but your’e just asking it so here we go.
Israel did not occupy, israel is a country, given to us by law and in a fair manner. we have seen our mothers, mothers, grandparents, children and so on die in restaurants, malls etc because of suicide bombs for years. I don;t know if you have any idea what that’s like, living when everyday something awful like that happens and you start calling every single person you know to check up if theyr’e alive or not.
I Love how one terrorist act on the united states makes right of an entire war (both on a nation and on democracy in general) but Israel lives in constant fear of terror, has it’s children die in the army, and none of it justifies any action we take. please. i’m not saying wer’e entirely right, nor am I saying that palestinians are. each saide has it’s bad people and good people. in cases of war you sometimes don’t get the privilage of making that distinction. and every country makes military mistakes- but Israel is in no way intentionally killing innocent people (in fact, in many cases we take greater risk to our own soldiers in order to minimize innocent casualties in military opporations).
we are not the evil occupier many TV channels make us up to be, you need to remember that this is our country. we want to be fair, but this is a very delicate situation. because it is, we would appreciate it if everybody around would shut the hell up while both sides try to fix it instead of causing more problems for everyone.
Any problems between us, only Israel and the palestinians will take care of them, and several individuals brought into the matter. everyone else should just mind their own wars and keep quiet while the affiliated sides talk between them.
oh and also, just for being rude Paul dear, shut the fuck up.
Number 37, the simple fact is that the Israeli-Palestine conflict has a huge effect on world politics. People are bound to have an interest in it, and an opinion on it. You may of course deem those opinions not adequately based in first-hand experience, but you can’t fault people for having them. The situation affects everyone.
It is ridiculous to pretend that this is a private affair. Don’t underestimate how much the Israeli state itself depends on the support from other nation states.
Number 37, the simple fact is that the Israeli-Palestine conflict has a huge effect on world politics. People are bound to have an interest in it, and an opinion on it. You may of course deem those opinions not adequately based in first-hand experience, but you can’t fault people for having them. The situation affects everyone.
It is ridiculous to pretend that this is a private affair. Don’t underestimate how much the Israeli state itself depends on the support from other nation states.
i’m not saying people can’t have an interest in it, obviously.. sometimes outside people’s opinions get overwhelming is all. because, it’s so difficult handling arguments about it in between us as it is.. and you want t stay true to your country, and you want to stay true to your own ideals.. it’s very heart tearing. and having other people come in the mix and everything.. it’s very hard.
i’m not saying people can’t have an interest in it, obviously.. sometimes outside people’s opinions get overwhelming is all. because, it’s so difficult handling arguments about it in between us as it is.. and you want t stay true to your country, and you want to stay true to your own ideals.. it’s very heart tearing. and having other people come in the mix and everything.. it’s very hard.
MaybeJuly:
It’s important for the rest of the world to be aware of what’s going on in the wars of other countries. If not, for example, World War I and II may have turned out much differently. What happens when other countries don’t intervene or speak out is the Rwandan genocide.
and just as a side note: many people call it the Israeli occupation because, although the land was given by law, it forced the people who were already living there (i.e. the Palestinians) out without their consent.
Then throw religion in the mix…now that’s a nasty situation…
MaybeJuly:
It’s important for the rest of the world to be aware of what’s going on in the wars of other countries. If not, for example, World War I and II may have turned out much differently. What happens when other countries don’t intervene or speak out is the Rwandan genocide.
and just as a side note: many people call it the Israeli occupation because, although the land was given by law, it forced the people who were already living there (i.e. the Palestinians) out without their consent.
Then throw religion in the mix…now that’s a nasty situation…
That article about sophie made me cry and cry. I’ve just moved to England a year ago and little chavs like those boys are a dime a dozen no joke. I cannot believe what a plague on society they are and it is truely frightening.
It took me a while to feel afraid of kids aged 10 to 16 years old because i didn’t see them as anything but kids wearing track suits being out late at night. But after a while gangs of chavs are terrifying to see while alone.
That article about sophie made me cry and cry. I’ve just moved to England a year ago and little chavs like those boys are a dime a dozen no joke. I cannot believe what a plague on society they are and it is truely frightening.
It took me a while to feel afraid of kids aged 10 to 16 years old because i didn’t see them as anything but kids wearing track suits being out late at night. But after a while gangs of chavs are terrifying to see while alone.